Tuesday, August 30, 2005

Hearing is set for Wednesday
"We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to do tell the truth." - Paul van der Sloot

Freddy Arrest Unrelated to Holloway Case
A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

61 Comments:

Anonymous aoife24 said...

I just have one question, If they told Joran to always tell the truth, why in the first place did he lie and tell the police about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and try to blame the Security Guards. And then lie and lie again? Maybe he is innocent, I personally doubt it, but if he was so innocent why did he have to lie in the first place, and time and time again? His parents dont seem to have done a great job in telling their son to tell the truth if he has lied all along. What do you all think, why do you think he lied? No crude or mean comments towards anyone please just personal opinions is all I am asking for

1:33 PM  
Blogger Sunny said...

I totally agree on this one. I keep telling my daughter, always tell the truth, don't lie, it always gets you in even more trouble. How can he keep up with all the lies. Just my opinion.

1:52 PM  
Blogger D said...

I'll share mine:

I am a mother of two and I have found my kids try to get away with little lies when they in fact were innocent and just ASSUMED that they were in trouble.

so for one, Joran could have lied because Natalee turned him down once they were left alone on the beach and he was emberrased, and he simply said he left her...

another, Natalee passed out from all the booze and or drugs they did, he left her at the beach, later realized that was not the propper thing to do and just made up that he dropped her off...

another, he hears from who knows whom or where that she is missing and they get together and know that people might accuse them of something, since people did see them with her, so they just make up a story, that sounded "believable" to them just because they are young and scared.

I mean there are a thousand reasons as to why someone tells a lie, mostly because they are scared, or like in the case of a small child, because they think they MIGHT be in trouble!

1:55 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

Yes my parents always told me the same, and years down the lin ewhen I have kids I too will tell them the same thing. Lies always catch up with you because Honesty is the best policy. sociopaths tell lies all the time, they make themselves believe their own lies.

1:55 PM  
Blogger D said...

I mean, are these theories far fetched, - maybe - maybe not! Lies suck, its starts out with something small innocent, and then next thing you know, you dont even know what you lied about anymore. Which seems to be the case here, so now, in turn, innocent or not, to everybody watching, or should I say, most people, its is once a liar - always a liar, - it kind of comes in a package deal like cheating!

1:58 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

True D, Very True. Its just so desparatly sad that a mother cannot find or bury her child, I dont have kids but I know the love my mother has for me, she would be exactly like Beth and hunt them down. Theres nothing like a mothers love. its just unimaginable to think what Beth is going through. Her only daughter about to start college, was on a dream holiday, was out partying with friends celebrating and never turns up to this date. Anyone who cannot relate to that is heartless...

2:10 PM  
Blogger D said...

aoife24 - you are 110% right! If anybody would ever hurt my baby or babies, they better start parying because I would do everything in my power to make them pay! God bless Beth, I hope she continues to be strong and I hope she'll be able to find piece and some answers she deservs to have.

The only issue I have with Beth is - she has a son at home, for whom she has not been a mother in the last 3 months and I could never leave one to grieve by themslevs, but then again - one never knows how we would react in a case like this, and not even for one second would I even want to try to imagine it! :(

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aoifa24 and D well said. I have three children, my eldest who had is 18th birthday at home with his family at the end of June. Hell hath no fury like a mother lied to in my house. Step out of line there are consequences, lie and the consequences of lying are ten times worse than for any transgression of house rules. My kids have learnt well that lying leads to a destruction of trust. What we do is (an no we are not American) but we say "I take the 5th on that", just gives a great way to stop the lies.

Beth is a woman of courage, as are the McCarthy sisters in Northern Ireland and Anthony Walker's mother in the UK. True women of courage God bless them all.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

Anon posted 12:03 pm....I am glad you understand the mcarthy sisters saga too. When a crime is against your family some people fight to the end for justice of their family member, and some how this annoys people. Put yourself in their shoesis what I say...Ive tried putting myself in the van der sloots shoes...but they talk about telling their child not to lie, why did paul van der sloot say he picked Joran up at 11pm and then change it to 4am. It is very very strange, why did he too have to lie...and then blatently lie to the cameras on CBS about never lying and having nothing to hide!!!Why would the police have questioned him twice then if he has nothing to hide. I don't see the Kalpoes mother or Anita being brought in for questioning or lying about anything either. Because she has nothing to do with it at all. It looks like Paul must.

3:22 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

i think someone here is doing this on purpose posting these trying to annoy us, I have a fair idea who it is too, they are annoyed that we are making very valid points and telling the truth....very very sad and immature!

4:00 PM  
Blogger D said...

AOIFE24 - Ditto!

4:05 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

Aunt B...whats the problem here?

4:15 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

ahh u are there, how u doing today!! you looking forward to sunday?

4:21 PM  
Anonymous aoife24 said...

www.blogsfornatalee.com... we can discuss this further over there....i got to go now because I have a family and a life but ill be back on tomorrow, on www.blogsfornatalee.com, the person corrupting this blogis also seen over there but owul dnot get away with this behaviour there....You cannot shut me up!! no matter how hard you try auntie b....bye for now

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who the hell cares about this shit? What a waste of time.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Noelle said...

Wow, you know I'm really glad to see some positive posting here. Something besides name calling and threats agains the VDS family. I agree with most everything posted here... :)

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey tante or whatever the fuck you are, you need to remember your boy joran that in life payback it's a bitch

6:44 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

@ aoife24

The fact that one tells ones children not to lie, as even the most criminal of parents will do...., does not mean that children have the judgement that may only be expected from adults. It has bee scientifically proven (insurance companies did this research relating to car accidents) that people under the age of 25 (!!!) still have not developed a full sense of 'implacations'/'consequences'.

I will challenge any parent who says: "My child does not lie" .... with... "that is just a matter of time and discovery" ... !

Please do not forget that the only facts that have come out is that Joran changed his story ONCE, the rest is lawyer talk and are 23 so called additions and or corrections to the 'story'.

I plan to write a piece about how I percieve the Van Der Sloot parents, specially Paul.

I do not know who is refereing to me without mentioning my name, but let me leave you with this:
Just imagine that Joran is telling the truth, just for a few seconds, and he did not have anything to do with her disapearance....

Do you all realise how much injustice and damage you are doing to him, his brothers, his family ??

8:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tante

"I plan to write a piece about how I percieve the Van Der Sloot parents, specially Paul."

I am simply holding my breathe! LOL

"Just imagine that Joran is telling the truth, just for a few seconds, and he did not have anything to do with her disapearance...."

Okay now YOU imagine for just one second that Natalee is YOUR child! Say Joran did not do it.. fine, we can stretch way out there! What about the things that have been said by people LIKE YOU about her? How would that cause you to feel as a mother. Not only do you have to try to accept that your baby is DEAD, which must be the WORST thing that a human could ever be forced to do.... but then you have people LIKE YOU, calling her a "DUMB DRUNK SLUT" and saying that THE BITCH got what she deserved or that she ran away from home to live a glamorous life in the underground porn industry or prostetution ring.

You want so much fairness and justice for Joran yet you offer NOTHING to Natalee! There are two sides to this story my dear and you are forgetting that Natalee is ALSO a victim here!

The Proud Yank!

9:06 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

You do not need to hold your breath any longer.
Here it is.
(Naturally after posting it on Noelle her site out of politeness) :)

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Anita van der Sloot to CNN):
Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'"
"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

11 June 2005 (!!!)

Paul van der Sloot (to 'A Current Affair'):
When asked how Joran is holding up, he responded:
“He has a difficult time.” When asked how he and his wife are doing, he responded: “We have also a difficult time".
29 August 2005

Anita van der Sloot (to CBS):
“We want him [Joran] to go on with his life."
About Natalee's parents Anita van der Sloot said:
"I think what the family is doing is terrible. I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset. [but] News should be based on facts, if not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all. Our goal is to get Joran back. I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
30 August 2005

Paul van der Sloot (to CBS):
"We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth. If Natalee is never found it will always, always hit our lives. Not only the lives of the Holloway’s, but also our lives."
30 August 2005

Now for all you hate mongers out there... this is fact, this was said by two very concerned parents, who have a son in jail for almost 86 days and are looking at a possible extension of 30 days to come to the full extend that the law allows of 116 days.

Already after 24 hours after his arrest Joran said to his mother:
"Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything."

Paul (probably) gave him the best advice that a lawyer can give to a client, specially if it concerns an innocent son: "Tell the truth, no more no less" and later "Do not speak any further".

Paul's comment on the hardship for his family is very well balanced. He has a natural sensitivity to keep the situation in proportion (quite different from the mass hysteria that Beth & Jug whip up using the media).

The response:
“He [Joran] has a difficult time.” When asked how he and his wife are doing, he responded: “We have also a difficult time".
Is the best he could have given under the circumstances. Not overdone, no understatement, just plain straight forward info (wow, the way we Dutch like it, blunt, direct and truthful).

From these statements by "the other side" I have the strong feeling that this is factual, now referring to the body of the remarks. Why would Joran tell his mother it will be fine because I am innocent ? A guilty person would say something different to his mother. Like: 'mom will you believe me, i didn't do the things they are saying...." more along those lines.

Furthermore: Paul is a lawyer and was (plaatsvervangend)judge, now he knows better than anyone in this case that if he states in public, on TV... that he has instructed his son to tell the truth, it will be very harmful when the opposite can be and will be, proven.
Why would an intelligent person, father of the accused, put his son in such a damning position ?

From Anita's remarks i read the same sort of thing: She knows her son better than anyone alive (please do not forget the instinct of a mother). He tells her he all will be alright, because he is innocent. This is early in the case, 11 June 2005 !
Why would she not sense that he lies ? Why would she perpetuate the lie, again, she is the last person in the world who would want to harm her son in this case.
The more she defends him the more damaging it may become in case he is guilty.

Except if he is truly "Not Guilty" in that case these remarks make perfect sense.
Furthermore, Paul is already speaking about the situation where there is no body found and realising that this will never lift the cloud that is hanging over both families... without a body the Van Der Sloots all have a dark cloud hanging over them.

Is that justice ?
Haven't we, as a society made rules of 'guilty' and 'not guilty', in order to avoid just such things as mob lynchings and Kafkaesque situations (catch22 I think it is called on the other side of the pond) ??

Why this one-sided: he must be guilty of something therefore he is guilty (the 'Barbertje must hang' attitude). Please explain to me where the collective intelligence has gone in this case.....

TB

9:37 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"but then you have people LIKE YOU, calling her a "DUMB DRUNK SLUT" and saying that THE BITCH got what she deserved or that she ran away from home to live a glamorous life in the underground porn industry or prostetution ring.
"


Very true, I have been trying to balance out the whole situation. Every time I see Joran bashed, Aruba, The Dutch (law system), you may expect the same ! Just so that you know how it feels....

Remember Septh 4th ! 86 days and only one more chance to prolong to 116 days.
So, I am very happy that finally some justice will be done to the Van Der Sloot Fam, who have been very gracious about the whole false accusation.

9:42 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

PS
Actually I heve been very nice towards 'Beth the media Whore', 'Jug the Lier' and 'Nat'lee the Pornstar', surely if compared to what has been said about Joran and his family, the death threats etc. !!

Have a nice day Yanks :)

9:46 AM  
Anonymous sara said...

Not a yank here, but a Brit, but anyway....you need to go and get a good slap from your mother for saying things like that....a child is missing and the guy being questioned lied to the police and tried to put the blame on on 2 security guards. Now if that doesnt seem suspicious whats the hell does. Why did he have to lie if he was innocent? Answer that.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous ondre said...

Tante his parent dont seem to be doing a good job do they, tHEY TELL THEIR CHILD TO tell the truth but he has lied may time and PAUL has lied to the police saying he picked his some up at 11pm then he changed it to 4am....So His own father is a lier too. Answer that if they are innocent. Tell me why you think they are innocent? Please I want to know. I AM no yank either IM born in Mexico

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tante,

Girl, you totally crack me up. I love how you bend and sway around to avoid taking responsiblity for your actions, all though you seem to think that any American is to be held responsible for every sin or every word ever spoken by any American! You are such a freakin hypocrite. You get on my nerves, NOT bc you defend Joran, but bc you do not take responsibility for ANYTHING! YOU SHOULD have just admitted that yes, you have been hateful.... but instead... you write another pointless post in another pathetic attempt to justify your behavior!

Here is my point and case:"PS
Actually I heve been very nice towards 'Beth the media Whore', 'Jug the Lier' and 'Nat'lee the Pornstar', surely if compared to what has been said about Joran and his family, the death threats etc. !!"

Oh and just for the record. It kind of appears as if Natalee DID GET THE DEATH PENALTY, YOU DUMBASS!

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and let's not forget the words of Joran's fat ugly mother....."he's a good sporter"

So because he's a good "sporter" he can't be guilty. That woman's not only fat and ugly - she's a dumb shit as well! Yeah - Paul, you got a real winner in that one!

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Sara!

I will respond for you from tante, she is just going to blow off "HIS ONE LITTLE WHITE LIE" and chalk it up to the fact that he was only 17 and was just acting accordingly.

She can not admit that he LIED bc the TRUTH WOULD BE A CONFESSION! AND that he lied much more than ONE LITTLE OL TIME!

tante is just full of shit and the ONLY reason why she is here is bc she is full of bitter hatred! You are totally wating your time trying to talk with her.

Oh did I mention that she speaks FOUR languages? Are you impressed? SHE certainly is!

10:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasting your time... not wating your time........ sorry Sara

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tante is a psycho!

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know-if this was a case involving a woman of color,there would not be the media coverage that exists now. The obsession of the American public-especially if there is the whiff of something sexual- with cases involving attractive young white women is sickening. The media really has not a clue what is going on in this case,so they resort to rumors and half truths. What right do we have to denigrate another nations legal system because it differs from our own? It is not the norm to release details of an investigation in Aruba-deal with it. Whatever happened to our belief in "innocent until proven guilty"? Isn't that what distinguishes our system from so many others? Stop condemning without proof.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Nico said...

I,for one,have a major problem with Beth Hollaway. As a mother who recently lost a son I can empathize with Mrs. Hollaway. I can understand her need to get to the bottom of what happened. I cannot understand her detachment-to speak of her daughter possibly being raped and murdered,as I heard her do on one of the many shows she dominates,without so much as a twitch in the eye-chilled me. This woman needs time to grieve,to be with her son,and to stop pointing fingers without proof. She has become an expert at media manipulation;and I,for one, find it repulsive. I try not to watch the shows that she is on and i look forwad to the fickle attention of the media turning elsewhere.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, if it were my child who was missing.. I would stop at nothing to find her, just as Beth is! I would do whatever I had to do, even if that meant using the media

12:22 PM  
Blogger Trish said...

It is kind of strange how she can be on all these shows & talk about Natalee the way she does without showing any emotion. I for one would freakin' break down at the sound of Natalee's name or the sight of her picture. She does need time to grieve. I think she should do just that.

2:20 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Beth is just taking revenge on the Van Der Sloot's. Her child is missing, so some-one else' child must suffer, sick !

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She isnt taking revenge on JVS. She know and you too will soon know that JVS and possible others raped and KILLED Natalee. I dont see how blind you people can be!! All Beth wants is justice and she deserves that. She need to put some closure to this terrible part of her life.

2:46 PM  
Anonymous tribal unit said...

Look at that, another goon monkey!! it is no wonder they live in the aruban jungle, bamboons

2:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trish,

"It is kind of strange how she can be on all these shows & talk about Natalee the way she does without showing any emotion."

Have you ever lost a child? I can only imagine that she is in some state of shock and denial right now!

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh tante,

"Beth is just taking revenge on the Van Der Sloot's. Her child is missing, so some-one else' child must suffer, sick !"

YOU are the sick one here!

4:46 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

It's a well known fact in such cases.... don't be soooo surprised.

Beth the mediaQueen must be having a bad day, no mention of Joran, just chaos and looting being reported.

8:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everibody knows about the close relationship between the aruban chief police jan van der strateen and paul van der sloot, even the son of this chief police is friends with joran, so is very clear that this asshole help cover up the crime, that explains why he was heard sayin "how can i do that to the son of my best friend" and that he fled to fucking netherlands and we haven't heard from him since, but there is not such a thing as a perfect crime, there is always something left behind for people to see it sooner or later. remember life its very tricky when it comes to pay back everithing bad that you did.

6:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, tante... we know that you THINK that you know all of the FACTS!

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes-I have lost a child,and it is the worst possible thing that can ever happen to a mother-especially if it is unexpected. The body does go into shock to compensate ..if it didn't,we would probably die from the grief. However,there does come a time when you have to face the grief,the pain,the devastation.It is only then that whatever healing is possible can take place. It seems to me that by focusing so intently on this investigation,Mrs. Twitty is delaying that process. I can only think that when the media is gone,as will happen,she will fall to pieces. The focus on her hatred of these suspects is keeping her from dealing with the inevitable progression of mourning. My heart goes out to her. Be that as it may,these guys are not even close to being proven guilty of anything. You cannot condemn on a mothers instinct.

10:25 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Well said, it would be very wrong of Beth just to want some other womans child pay.... guilty or not.

I've said it before but le me repeat, Joran can rot in prison for the time he gets from a judge. But wouldn't it be a grave mistake to point the finger at the wrong person ?

1:56 PM  
Blogger Trish said...

I don't deny she probably is in a state of shock... it's either pull shit or bull shit & right now she's bullshittin'. Her daughter is obviously gone... stop trying to capture whoever did this and do what you got to do to get by. I`m sorry to say, but this case will probably go unsolved. There is just not enough clues to convict anyone. She needs to face the facts and start the grieving process already

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Beth is taking revenge..I think she truly,deeply,feels these guys are guilty. Unfortunately,her conviction is based on emotion,not facts. Let us all hope that we never regress to the point where a criminal investigation depends on hunches and unfounded feelings & rumors. What IF this is the wrong man??This kids life is effectively ruined

2:53 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a Dutch teenager who has been jailed for nearly three months in the disappearance of an Alabama honors student and said he would be freed this weekend, the youth's father said.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PAUL has lied to the police saying he picked his some up at 11pm then he changed it to 4am

..............
I don't think PVS ever changed his story. BHT said he said it was 4am when he talked to the PI the first night the Twitty's arrived, but most of that conversation was in Dutch. The PI papers recording the conversation also said 11am, and BHT was contesting that.

2:23 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

PAUL has lied to the police saying he picked his some up at 11pm then he changed it to 4am

Where do you get this nonsense ?..... you are just rechewing old puke :)

11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tante,

Can we not just agree that your media and our media are telling us different stuff? The bottom line is that NONE of us really know what happened or what is going on now, bc NONE of us are there!

~Proud Yank

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just thought I would share this post from blogsfornatalee.com:

Comment by From Aruba — September 2, 2005 @ 2:02 pm
Oh my goodness! Please let me apologize for the ignorant comments made by those of my country such as Mad or Tante. There is no excuse for such behavior. Most of the Dutch feel quite the contrary. We do support Nat her family and America in this case. And yes, I do think that those who are guilty should be punished to the full extent of the law. I do hope that now that they’ve released Joran that he’ll slip up and say something that will cause him and whoever else is responsible to be convicted and punished for this haneous act. And like many of you I do believe that he and the Kalpoe brothers and Paul are all probably guilty. They just look too suspicious and have lied way too much. And the witness that said he saw them all at the dump together had no reason to lie or make up that story so I for one do believe him. I don’t know why Paul’s wife doesn’t divorce him, I see him out with a different woman every night that I see him. But please don’t judge all of us by the few stupid people on here that make such comments. I can see that you all have your share of that to. That Steve charachter’s post are really annoying, offensive, and silly. We all need to just ignore all these ignorant folks and maybe they’ll go somewhere else. I do enjoy reading everyone’s different views on this case and respect everyone’s right to express them, although people that make insulting and ignorant comments such as Mad or Steve are uncalled for. And what all Mad accused you Americans of doing, such as all of the luxury stuff and whatever else he has said, we are guilty of doing all the same things. Bottom line is that none of us are perfect so people like Mad should not be complaining and pointing fingers. Well, the best of luck to Natalee’s family. My hopes and prayer go out to you.

2:23 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Can we not just agree that your media and our media are telling us different stuff? The bottom line is that NONE of us really know what happened or what is going on now, bc NONE of us are there!
=====

So don't judge !!!
Have an opinion, fine !
But if there is no evidence & and no proof, leave Joran alone.....
Let the law deal with it.

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is TOTAL CRAP!!! You scold anyone who has an opinion different than yours! My opinion has ALWAYS been that I FEEL as if Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance.... I have ALSO stated that if the evidence can not be found, then he can not be convicted..... but you have jumped ALL OVER THAT!

SO, DDDOOO NNOOOOOTTTT try and say now that you feel everyone has the right to express their own opinion, bc that is a LIE and you KNOW IT!!!!!! You ONLY welcome opinions that support yours!

~PROUD YANK

3:53 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Just bad losers you Yankees :)

You were all wrong admit it !!

Nahnahnahnahnah

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY are you avoiding replying? You are just going on an on about non-sense now..... I guess I should be used to that from you.

:-)

~Proud Yank

4:54 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

What do you want answered that I didn't answer before ?

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This right here

"That is TOTAL CRAP!!! You scold anyone who has an opinion different than yours! My opinion has ALWAYS been that I FEEL as if Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance.... I have ALSO stated that if the evidence can not be found, then he can not be convicted..... but you have jumped ALL OVER THAT!

SO, DDDOOO NNOOOOOTTTT try and say now that you feel everyone has the right to express their own opinion, bc that is a LIE and you KNOW IT!!!!!! You ONLY welcome opinions that support yours!"

And I did not say that you did not ANSWER, bc I did not ask you any questions... but I have realized that when some one makes a valid point against you... you just say something stupid and un-related for your response.

~Proud Yank

7:09 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Name me one [1] valid point !

9:00 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Still waiting..... :)

8:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante Bet...you rock hahaha...I am so sorry for Joran and how his life is now practically ruined. At least for the coming years. For everyone who is sure she is murdered. Have you ever been to Aruba? Do you realise how small it is? Do you realise how much they have searched that place? And you know what? NOTHING has been found. I wonder what everyone will have to say when (i really hope this happens) this young innocent lady turns up somewhere on this planet of ours....alive...Because it has happened before....people run away all the time...what better place to do it then after a couple of days of partying in paradise and so close to South America. Only a boat-ride away.....and oh wow!!...you don't even need your passport for it.

9:50 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Joran's life ruined? Don't think so. Yes, he's got a very hard time and will have for some time. But he'll manage to survive! If needed be I'll help him to survive, just to dish you MF.

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My classmate saw him last week, And believe me he did it. Fucking asshole. He is a murderer! I saw a dutch serie of him and he did it.

And he just walks here free. bastard

5:31 AM  

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