Monday, September 12, 2005

Beth: Don't Travel To Aruba
In an interview with Geraldo Rivera, Beth Holloway Twitty finally made a comment that has never been made yet: Don't travel to Aruba. Beth lashed out at the dutch government for taking advantage of the Hurricane Katrina coverage to release Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. Beth also said she has police statements from Joran Van Der Sloot admitting that he had sex with Natalee at his home while she lapsed in and out of consciousness. (Read More)



"We just can not fathom how this has happened and how rape is not a crime within the Dutch government..." (Download and view video here)

Dr Phil: The Disappearance of Natalee
Tune In: Thursday, 15th September, 2005

360 Comments:

Anonymous freeboy_18 said...

Ah, something new! At last!

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sad sad sad :( more and more lies.....

1:41 PM  
Anonymous freeboy_18 said...

That's what I meant!

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!! NO yankee dollars>> NO American tourism>>NO Aruba economy
Tante has already begun with the boycott of Aruba. Everybody should listen, don't spend your money there. Listen to Tante.

2:21 PM  
Blogger iremember said...

no no no!
>it doesn't matter if she was technically murdered or not.
>I do not care.
>I do not care if she wasnt taking her meds.
>I do not care if she acted like she was interested in Joran.
>I do not care if she danced on the bar at Carlos and Charlies.
>
>Joran had sex with her when she was passed out.
>Joran had sex with her in his home and lied about it.
>Joran knows what happened to her.
>Joran refuses to let the truth be known to her grieving mother.
>Joran wants to resume his normal life and go to college.
>If she was my daughter, so help me God I would try to kill him with my own
>hands. And if I was face to face with him, even tho I never met Natalee
>Hollway, I might still not be able to restrain myself.
>
>This cannot be allowed to end this way!

2:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you. He got away with it all, and we will probably never know what happened to Natalee. Which that is absolute bullshit. Aruba does not seem to care about the family though they would rather help a little rapist get off just because his daddy is someone important there. Now he gets to go to college and go back to a normal life when Natalee was suppose to be doing that right now. She doesn't get to do any of that now and it makes me sick. Joran if you ever see this, how do you sleep at night knowing what you did??? You make me sick!

2:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what really pisses me off about this is that it says;
"Joran Van Der Sloot admitting that he had sex with Natalee at his home while she was drifting in and out of consciousness."

I don't know about any of you, but to me that sounds like rape. She had no way of saying no or even getting him off of her is she was in this condition. Yet Aruban officals let him go, because they say that they have nothing to hold him on. Well just a question then is rape not a crime in Aruba??? That really makes you think twice about going there huh?

2:59 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Ofcourse! Didn't thought about that.

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad sad sad, more and more Beth lies, when will it stop :(

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wondered where you faggots were!!

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog is not for big mouth assholes who just want to make jorans life hard. If you want to do that go to blogs for natalee but leave us alone! And please dont ever go to Aruba we dont deserve to have scum like you on our island plus we dont need you! The tourism we need you NO!

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

suck my dick..
well at least Natalee didn't have to be awake and feel his nasty little soggy nub!!

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Yankee Doodle Dandee Beth Posse Cult here at it again, I see.

Noone here has any evidence to back up anything that you say, or more importantly what Beth says. I pray to God that the VDS are in the process of suing her for slander. Me thinks that is why she is pillaging millions from people, because she knows she has no evidence to back up anything she says, and will have to pay millions of dollars retribution to that family. She doesn't care as long as she got what she wanted to ...hell, to her there are more millions where that came from, since it's all free money in donations, she didn't have to work for it. That is also why she knows not to go back to Aruba b/c her ass will land in Joran's old jail cell!

You are all terrorists - callling Jihad on Aruba and wishing harm on people you know nothing about. Beth is so transparent. She cares only of herself. How convenient now that the media focus is off her, that she NOW has fabricated more lies to steal attention from real Katrina victims in order to get herself back on tv and the media's payroll. "Where's my make up person and hairdresser and wardrobe posse?"

It is so comical to see how Beth says jump and because she said so, you guys ask her how high. She is taking advantage of your ignorance and it's beyond pathetic it truly is hilarious at this point. Simon says ------ and you guys do it! ha

Beth has been claiming for 4 months she has this evidence and hasn't she put the money where her mouth is .....oh yeah her big mouth isn't big enough for the millions of dollars right, I guess that infamous saying isn't appropriate here. Anyhoo, why hasn't Beth ever revealed any proof to the world...to back up anything she says. DIAGNOSIS: Nada, zip, nil. She ain't got none. Blah blah bullshit. Yadada whole bunch of crap.

It's easy to scan documents (and of course forge them too) but why isn't she EVER backing up any of the bullshit she says? ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

The FBI, IRS and PRIVATE EYES are watching you Beth & Jug.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

flopppy nub!!

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you missed me bitch!!

3:55 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

As I said earlier:

Just go to:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php

There you can twaddle as much as you like, you'll find a lot of same thinking (thinking???) human beeings there!

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You say the people who think he is guilty have no evidence well the pepople who say he is innocent have no evidence that he is innocent either. So I guess it goes both ways huh? So if anyone should should stop bitching it's you. And to the person who said Aruba doesn't need our tourism, good for you, because I don't think you be getting it so your wish just came true.

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A note to the person who said this is not for the people who are trying to make Joran's life hard; Joran made his own life hard when he decided to rape an American, because we really don't tolerate things like that here.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Were any of you there with Joran and Natalee that night? Huh? Didn't think so! So leave him alone!

~S

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is the most assinine thing I have ever heard - "that because there is no proof of someone's innocence means they are guilty".

That is usually how things work Einstein, in your Yankee Doodle Dandy land of innocence til proven guilty.

But wait - what a brilliant idea let's revert back to the middle ages, or bring back the guillotines and hang people, stone them just BECAUSE. Throughout the ages, people who aren't part of the popular posse cults at the time - were eliminated. If you aren't one of us - off with your head. LINE UP THE FIRING SQUAD!

You are all cowards here, and do not have an iota of intelligence or any logic. You are simply modern KKK - going around killing blacks or jews because you wanted to, and for no other reason. If this was another era, Beth would be hung out back because someone said she is a "witch".

There is the government cult and the army cult and religious cult - everything is brainwashing and you are with us - or you are the enemy and it is no different with the Big Bad Bigoted Beth Posse Cult. Hey, I hear she's got some tasty Jesus Juice for you to drink. And she wants you to donate everything to her because the UFO's will be here to pick you up soon.

Oh yeah, btw on May 30 there were UFO sightings in Aruba and Natalee was taken by aliens.

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Oh yeah, btw on May 30 there were UFO sightings in Aruba and Natalee was taken by aliens."

HAHA!

~S

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

does anyone know how to watch this dr Phil thing from The Netherlands if you don't have satelite? Is there some kinda website we can see this on?

dutchie girl

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only ppl who should watch Dr. Phil are lawyers to sue Beth for slander, and FBI & IRS for money laundering. How's about everyone not watching Phil on Thursday and send a message that noone wants to hear Beth's lies anymore. We all know she is going to spew venom without backing anything up with evidence. It's going to be trashing everyone, Aruba, Katrina and then pillaging the viewers for more cash. She's so full of hatred even blames an act of God - nature - Katrina for the media leaving her, how DARE they. I guess that's why she is using the church to pillage more millions for herself, because if it wasn't for that act of God, then SHE would still be on tv everynight able to slander and get a paycheck from the media for her appearances. Anyone notice how the woman keep screaming how she wants her daughter back but what is she actually doing to look for her? I hear she says she wont stop til she finds her, but yet she's golfing with OJ.

6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Phil is another Yank redneck - who is another imposter - go check his credentials he isn't even qualified. Dr. Full of Crap with the Queen of Crap Beth on the show. Oprah wouldn't touch this story - or better yet Beth wouldn't go on Oprah because she would ask her the tough questions, and ask for proof and call her out on her descrepancies, and lies and then tell Beth that she is to blame for letting her daughter go to a foriegn country unescorted etc. Oprah would not buy any of her lies, and would call her out on all them, that's why noone of you Yankee Doddle Dandy Beth Posses' will ever see her on the Oprah show. You heard it here first. You will never see Beth on Oprah. You will never see Beth on the cover of Time Magazine. You will see her in the Liar -io paper, the National Enquirer, People and the Fox Spews Lies Station etc. ALl low budget, not credible sources. How many tv stations has Geraldo Rivera been fired from? Ohhhhh yes! He was even kicked out of Iraq! haaaaaaa

6:38 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Interesting;
=====
"The mother for the 17-year-old suspect told CBS News her son had nothing to do with it. Anita Van Der Sloot, said her son is a star student, a good athlete, with a wide circle of friends. She doesn't remember him talking about Natalee Holloway.
Van der sloot also said her son wanted to help with the search, but was advised against it.
http://wcco.com/topstories/topstories_story_164091607.html

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT…
"He was under pressure. He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I'll kick her butt in front of her mom because she brought all of us in trouble. That's what he repeated several times.
VAN SUSTEREN: To you?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: To us. And in school, too. He spoke about this in school. He spoke about it with the teachers. Kids were a little bit — Joran, what did you do with the girl? And then a colleague came to me and said, Anita, please tell Joran not to speak too much about it or let not others speak to him about it. Just let him be quiet because you know how teenagers are.
So I asked my husband to call him one day when he was on the bus — he left school already on the school bus — and to talk about this with him. Joran, be careful what you say because the girl is still missing. And you don't want to get into trouble, just giving him parental advice. And that was something that we continuously did. Joran, don't go out this week because you know you're watched. "

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT
"…But Anita van der Sloot said Joran has since changed his story, telling her that he was alone with Natalee on a beach.
"He says, 'Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her. I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened. There my statement ends,"' Anita van der Sloot said.
Anita van der Sloot didn't say which beach.

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well if there is no evidence either way of him being innocent or guilty then we are all f*cked on being wrong or right, and we might as well all shut up and stop arguing about it then huh? B/c the name calling is very immature by those who are doing it.

6:48 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Intresting;
=====

BHT claims that "immediately" she "knew" that Natalee had been kidnapped. However, the first posters said "Hootie please call me, we need to talk." Also Beth admitted in the People article of 07/04/2005 that she changed the posters from "Missing" to "Kidnapped" because she was "mad."

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did Beth (rich white family) automatically assume at 930 am when Natalee wasn't in the lobby to leave for her flight - immediately think she was kidnapped? Why did all her best friends (3 roommates) never panicked when they saw Natalee willingly get in a car with a guy (stranger) she had made out with all night. And when she never showed up (2 am 3 am 4 am 5 am 6 am 7am 8 am 9 am) didn't think that was unusual for their best friend - and all thought she just missed her flight. Which, on a party trip, 18 year olds typically party all night long (and all night party boats etc) especially on last night away it's pretty common for people to miss flights. Did Beth or Jug have ties with mafia or money sharks and had threats of kidnapping on them before? I think it's suspicious to immediatly say KIDNAPPING. The first thing that would run through my mind is OMG what if my kid is in the hospital, or accident in car etc. No, when Beth got the call on her cell phone that Natalee didn't show up for flight, Beth pulled over on the side of the road, called 911 and said help me get home my daughter has been kidnapped!!!!!!! She said that in an interview on Greta's show months ago. People need to investigate Jug & Beth's past and connections and their money laundering.

USA where freedom is everything. USA's motto: Freedom = appreciate it, cherish it, protect it. But it only applies to rich white americans who have rights. Any one else we take away your freedom when we want, without proof, without reason......just cuz we can and we will!!!!!! YAAAAA FIGHT FIGHT GIMME YOUR OIL AND YOUR LAND ......

7:19 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Numbers;
=====
Last year in Aruba there were two murders - possibly just one, depending on which stat you believe. We'll go with two anyway. No tourists were killed. That's a murder rate on Aruba of a little over 2 per 100,000, but we’ll call it an even 2. Or look at it this way: The Aruba murder rate is .0002.

Still, you can't go a minute without hearing about Natalee and you're worried. Maybe you're switching your vacation from Aruba to Jamaica. Bring some Kevlar. Murder rate: 32 per 100,000.

You'll be twice as safe in Puerto Rico as you would be in Jamaica. Still, it's eight times more dangerous than Aruba: 16 per 100,000 folks in Puerto Rico are going to meet an untimely end this year (with or without Greta Van Sustern caring).

If you're fine with 10 in 100,000 murders per capita, we can suggest Mexico, Estonia, Belize, the Dominican Republic and maybe Barbados during a bad year. Feel a little more secure in Costa Rica. Of your 100,000 friends, 99,994 won't get capped.

So, stick to the U.S. Virgin Islands. We run it. How bad could it be? Turns out you better leave behind a lot of clues if you're going there: 25 murders per 100,000. That's worse than ANY American city, save for New Orleans where shooting guns into the air is considered good, clean fun. The British Virgin Islands are more polite, but say “cheerio” to 11 per 100,000 chaps.

Screw it, you think, I'll just stay home. Now you're only three times as likely to be killed as if you went to Aruba, with the U.S. murder rate at about 6 per 100,000. The murder rate in New York City, from where Fox News constantly reminds us how dangerous Aruba is, was 7 per 100,000 people in 2002. And if your home is in, let's say, Alabama, up the murder rate to 7.5 per 100,000. Then wonder if one of your congressman will call for a boycott of your own state.

=====

There are currently 19 kids from Alabama listed as missing at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website. (2 are from before 1980, some are indeed "family abductions" or "runaways".)

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person who keeps saying this is a free Joran site, no it does not say that in the title or the address to this site. It just say Joran Vandersloot. Not for or against thank you

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In America your kids aren't even safe in their beds because predators break in and steal your kids away. That is called TAKEN.

In America your kids aren't safe in their back yard to play because American predators take your kids away right under your nose.

In America they don't lock up predators for long - with evidence against them and pages of offenses, no they let the high risk pervs back out on the streets amongst your kids, to re-offend AGAIN and again. The proven guilty get set free.

In America you can't legally drink til 21, but at 17 you can legally buy a gun. Illegally you can get one at any age I am sure.

In America your kids aren't safe at school without being abused by teachers, or shot by classmates - Columbine is only one incident. Many young children have access to their parents guns and take them to school and shoot kids - some knowing what they are doing and others too young to realize it's real.

In America you can't even get on a plane without fear of hijacking.

YA AMERICA - LAND OF THE FREE. MORE BLOODSHED ON your own land than any other country of wartimes.

Noone wants to travel to the USA for fear.

7:42 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Fun;
=====
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

On 9-8 GERALDO RIVERA opined on “FoxNews” that Main Suspect J. SLOOT was probably released because the DUTCH government ordered the DUTCH judge in ARUBA to do so (unconfirmed).

Obviously some people do not know the first thing about The Netherlands, this will hapen the same day that pigs will fly.
Gouvernment will not even suggest anything in the press [when needed] to influence a judge.

Funny lot these Yanks... :)
They can't remember a few simple words;
NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

8:02 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Beth Holloway Twitty Finally Says it, “Don’t Travel To Aruba.”

Se Yanks.... even "Beth with her 22 lies" agrees with me :))))))

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

8:24 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

But the most funny today was;
=====
"GERALDO: You say that Van der Sloot admits in his police
statement that he is having sex with your daughter, whom
I believe was a virgin before she went to Aruba
, as she lapses
in and out of consciousness?

BETH: Absolutely Geraldo. "
=====

Hahaha, do all Yankee virgins travel with the pill & condoms in their lugage ???

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth has a police report that she showed to several people on that show that clearly states Joran admitted to taking Natalee to his house and having sex with her while she was drifting in and out of sleep. Joran said it to the police and they recorded it in a legal police report. This is not a lie. No matter if he killed Natalee and covered it up he is still guilty of sexual assault. No matter what happens in this case he will be charged with Sexual assault. No matter what any one of them did other then this that night he is Guilty and admitted to Sexual assualt. Whether you like it or not he has admitted to sexual assault, he also admitted to taking her back to his house, this is yet another changed testimony by Joran on what happened that night. So I guess both Joran and Beth are guilty of at least 22 lies. I am not sure what happened that night, there is not enough facts to go either way however this is evidence no matter what you think.

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante Bet is a login used by Paulus (who probably raped the poor girl when his son was done) and Joran's mother. Ignore her.

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the transcribed police report is accurate, then there is a formal statement in the investigation made directly by Joran that he had sex with Natalie while she was in and out of consciousness at his home. Clearly that appears to indicate that consent by the young girl was likely not present given her state and that some crime did, in fact, occur. Whether the crime of rape was followed by a second crime, such as murder, involunatry manslaughter or the like, there is no denial to the first crime.

So folks we do have CRIME >> NO BODY CURRENTLY (not needed) >>> INVESTIGATION MOVING FORWARD >>> CONVICTION.

tante and other sympathizers cannot deny what is part of the official record of the investigation!

9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is already widespread documented stories of broad based corruption in the Aruban Island. Who should be surprised that a cover up directed by Holland took place. It is part of the Aruban culture. CRIMES, CORRUPTION >>>BRIBES >>> COVERUPS >>> ???

9:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CRIME >> NO BODY CURRENTLY (not needed) >>> INVESTIGATION MOVING FORWARD >>> CONVICTION.

GERALDO: On Tuesday, Sept. 6th, the Dutch teenager,
Joran Van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway, arrived in the Netherlands following
his release from prison a couple of days earlier in Aruba.
Van der Sloot, who has acknowledged spending the evening
with Natalee before her disappearance but has denied any
wrong doing arrived in the Amsterdam airport with his dad,
another potential suspect in the case. He /they ignored all
questions from the reporters and quickly departed the airport.
Our next guest, our dear friend, believes that the government
in Aruba took advantage of our intense, very necessary and
appropriate focus on Hurricane Katrina to make this dramatic
move and let Van der Sloot sleaze his way off the island of
Aruba. Beth joins us tonight from Little Rock.
So, first of all hi, how’s your spirits?

Beth: Hi Geraldo. Well it’s pretty tough hanging in there with
all that has happened, and you are exactly right, Geraldo.
It was a PR dream for the Dutch government to take advantage
of such a catastrophic event in the United States in order to
release these suspects.

Geraldo: Were you down there kind of screaming don’t forget
us as they got to the airport and got on the plane?

BETH: Well, it’s just incredible that they chose to act under
these circumstances. I think it just shows the world that . . .
what all that we have been put through, . . . and when
there’s involvement with the Dutch government, as we have
been in Aruba.

GERALDO: It shows the world, Beth, but never the less the
prime suspect in the disappearance of your daughter is now
free, although technically I guess he remains a suspect.
After the arrest of that other guy and the Kalpoe brothers on
that rape tape of the 14 year old I thought they were going
to be in for awhile, or at least they would be in, but they
are out too, aren’t they?

BETH: Oh, yes, Geraldo. You know when I heard you state
that Joran is still stating that he had no involvement with her disappearance but something that Jug and Dave, Natalee’s
father and I have had knowledge of since early in July, so
we have Joran’s statements. We have had them translated
for us, and we have at least five. You know, Geraldo, what
has been so difficult for us is that we have had this knowledge
that Joran has admitted to having sex with Natalee AT HIS HOME
as she is coming in and out of consciousness. You know we have protected the integrity of the investigation because we felt that
was the professional way to handle this but you know when we
have been slapped in the face by the Dutch government and . . .

GERALDO: You say that Van der Sloot admits in his police
statement that he is having sex with your daughter, whom
I believe was a virgin before she went to Aruba, as she lapses
in and out of consciousness?

BETH: Absolutely Geraldo.

GERALDO: Isn’t there a law , as I recall, one of the things
the Kalpoe brothers were suspected of in the porno tapes that
they did with the 14 year old was having sex with someone
with whom did not have the capacity to give consent. Its seems
to me that if your daughter was phasing in and out of
consciousness she can not legally consent to have sex.

BETH: Absolutely, Geraldo, that’s why we were so shocked
on Sept. 1st because even the Dutch interrogators that have
knowledge of these statements, the lists of inconsistencies
are there, the reasonable doubt is there. We were just truly
shocked that the sudden release of these suspects. We just
can not fathom how this has happened and how rape is not
a crime within the Dutch government.

GERALDO: It is outrageous, Beth. I really didn’t know about
those statements. You say there are more. You should really
share them with me and I will, not necessarily now, but I will
blast them, believe me. I told you I would be there to the end
with you and I will be. I think it is really retched, it really is.
So what are you going to do now?

BETH: Well, Geraldo, I think that we have had so many
millions of people that have supported us in prayer and have
sent of cards and emails. The main thing that we would like
to ask right now is to please, please just consider not
traveling to Aruba or within the Dutch Kingdom and territory
until Natalee is returned to her country, because they
can absolutely make this happen, Geraldo.

GERALDO: Make happen what? What do you want?
Do you want a boycott on Aruba?

BETH: I would please like for them to consider not to
travel to Aruba until she is returned, and the Dutch Kingdom
territories, Geraldo. You know if we did not feel that they
knew exactly where she was we would not be seeking this,
but we have been such slapped in the face by the present
government that is in place that its just hard for us not to
begin to make this request now.

GERALDO: How is your boy faring, starting school,
he’s 16 right?

BETH: Well, actually Geraldo, he is 17 now. I am going
to see him Tuesday. I just flew in from Aruba this morning.
I am going to spend a week in Birmingham and I am looking
forward to that. We are gong to be re-grouping. This is not
over. We are going to continue, Geraldo.

GERALDO: Save your strength. You know we love you.
Courage. Regards to everybody. Really, call me with that
data because I will use it, I will whack them with it.

BETH: Ok, Thanks Geraldo.

9:27 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

OH, today I am Paul ? Funny Yanks make up your mind for once.

Anybody can have a piece of paper on tv and say this is a legal document,
this was said by the pope he admitted raping Nat'lee, now she is in the vatican....
You believe it ?

Also don't be a complete moron....
If Joran had admitted or signed any such statement, to any of the things you say, he would be in jail awaiting trial.

The vd Sloot house would have been searched for days and days to collect all the (DNA) evidence...
Remember your fbi guys were there.....
None of this happened, why ?
'coz none of it happened !

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

PS Beth will never give Geraldo those "papers" and if she does "geraldo" will have a look at them and think, shit I am not giving up my gossip show for this lying Bitch Beth.....
Mark my words, you'll never see these papers....

9:29 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

PS

I have papers saying Joran is innocent :)

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Art Wood has been one of the lead investigators in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. He has scoured the island in search of evidence in this case including the belt he found near the lighthouse. According to WTOV 9, Art Wood plans on coming forward and telling what he knows.

Since then, Wheeling native and FBI consultant, Arthur Wood, has been working in Aruba to find her.

Back in June, the retired secret service man began working with the owner of the largest paper in Aruba to find Natalee, Wood believes Natalee’s body is in the water.

He believes Dutch authorities have orchestrated a cover-up, including evidence against the main suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot…

Wood claims pieces of evidence are missing including phone records and a belt he found in the sand dunes sent to Dutch authorities.

He claims no d-n-a tests were ever done.

Art Wood will be on the Dr. Phil Show along with Beth Holloway Twitty at Thursday at 3 right on WTOV9.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Voordat de jongens Holloway bij haar hotel zouden hebben afgezet zijn zij naar Arashi geweest. Bij het strand zou Van der Sloot met Holloway op de achterbank van de auto hebben zitten vrijen, terwijl de broers Kaploe voorin de auto zaten. Van der Sloot kende Holloway al van een dag eerder toen zij in het casino van het Holiday Inn kennis gemaakt zouden hebben.

Before the boys dropped allegedly dropped off Holloway at her hotel, they went to Arashi. At the beach Van der Sloot and Holloway were allegdly fooling* around in the backseat [*‘vrijen’ cover a multitude of sexual acts, from kissing to having sex.], while the brothers Kalpe were sitting in the front seat of the car. Van der Sloot already knew Natalee from the day before when they would have met in the casino of the Holiday Inn."

There was a report when the test results came back from forensics taken from Joran's room. It was a translation from Dutch and it said that there was no evidence of a crime, but the way the sentence was constructed, I wan't sure what that meant. Did they find evidence that Nat had beem there, ie hair etc. or did they mean no blood or body secretion evidence.


Way back when Chris Lejuez read the statements given by the three when they were first taken in to custody. Chris was the lawyer for one of the
guards. Deepak had said that Joran and Natalee were kissing in the back seat.Loose quote ... Actually, it was more than kissing. There was some petting....

In another place, it was stated that this petting was going on when Nat fell asleep on Joran's shoulder.


Very sorry to disillusion those counting on being able to pick the documents apart, claim loss in translation, etc. for they are not the source for Joran's admission to sexually assaulting Natalee.

Below is excerpt from Hannity and Colmes August 11 edition where Beth spells it out that Joran is the source and said this in front of several witnesses. Joran's BIG MOUTH and NOT the documents are the basis of the claim and he said it in front of at least eight witnesses.

Now we know Joran pounds his chest and has been photographed eating with his hands while every other person at the table is using cutlery, even Freddie, so it just may be in keeping with his atavistic traits that he had no conpunction about discussing having sex with an unconscious female.

H&C aug 11


: There are now corroborating documents, 6 or more of them that you have now read in full, that they have known from the very beginning that Juron himself admitted to sexually assaulting your daughter, but yet, we didn't find out about it until just this week.

Beth: I want to make it clear that that information did not come from the statements that we received. That information came from Juron's mouth and he admitted that in front of the witnesses that were with us that night.

Hannity: But to explain there is redacted information in those six documents, specifically do you have all that redacted information?

Beth: No, we have not had those fully interpreted yet, so we cannot know. That is not where we received that information, it strictly came from Juron Van der Sloot's mouth.

1. Has the 2:30am call from from the beach been triangulated or otherwise proven to have been made from the beach? By Joran?
2. Ditto 2:40am call?
3. Similarly, has the 3:15am text message from Joran's home been triangulated or otherwise proven to have been made from Joran's home? By Joran?

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Evidence line - restricted to "facts in evidence."

This is an discussion about the Natalee Holloway disappearance and the possible trial of Joran Van der Sloot.

In order to present the whole picture, we also have a section entitled "Unsubstantiated Information." This is for rumors, possible witnesses or information not yet in evidence, but theorized by some as having a possiblity of becoming evidence. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the link to this special section.

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Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant.

The purpose of the hearing is to determine, first," Has a crime been committed ? " A trial can only be brought, based on evidence (presented by the prosecution), which proves a missing person is dead, evidenced by a body or sufficient forensic evidence to indicate that a murder took place. However, a trial could also be brought without a body based on the testimony of credible witnesses that such a crime was indeed committed.

Secondly, if it is determined that the crime of murder was committed, the purpose of the court would be to determine the guilt or innocence of the person accused of the murder based solely on facts permitted in evidence. Circumstantial evidence can be admitted into the trial, but a conviction based only on circumstantial evidence is improbable unless there would be a convincing preponderance.

Any information, whether factual of speculative, about the history of the missing person or the accused, which would be considered unfairly prejudicial to the case will be excluded from the court proceedings.



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What are the "facts in evidence?"
What could be offered as evidence by the prosecution?
Although, other information is known about the missing person and about the accused, only what the court considers relevant will be allowed to be presented as evidence.

1. Late one Sunday evening May 29, 2005 from about 9:00 PM until about 1:30 AM (now Monday, May 30, 2005), an 18 year old girl, Natalee Holloway, a tourist to Aruba, was last seen at a Carlos 'n Charlies, a restaurant and bar, which is a popular eating, drinking and dancing establishment.
2. Natalee Holloway was seen leaving at the closing time of the restaurant, which was about 1:30 AM, Monday May 30, with three local men ( Satish Kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot). Deepak Kalpoe was driving. Satish Kalpoe the front seat. Joran and Natalee were in the back seat.
3. No witnesses state that they saw anything irregular about the event of her leaving. Natalee tells some of her fellow travelers and fellow bar attendees, who inquired about her "well being" outside the bar that she is "ok." Witnesses state that Ms Holloway does not appear to be impaired in any way. She is heard to yell cheerfully, "Aruba!" from the open car window as they depart.
4. In interview records (made available to Kalpoe attorneys), several of Natalee's fellow student travelers stated that as he was driving away, Deepak.stopped his car a short distance away from the area,"at the intersection next to the bus terminal" close to where Carlos 'n Charlies is located. They stated that it was at this intersection, not far from C&C's, where a group of the other students were waiting for taxis. Some of the students asked Natalee to get out of the car and be with them. She refused. They stated she said wanted to go for a drive with the three boys.
5. Natalee Holloway missed her flight back to Alabama, failing to show up in the lobby of her hotel for transportation to the airport at 10:30 AM the next day (Monday).
6. Between 3:00-5:00 am, the next morning (now Tuesday, May 31, 2005), Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot, were confronted in the middle of the night outside of the home of Joran Van der Sloot by a group of relatives and friends of Natalee Holloway, all of whom had arrived a few hours earlier from Natalee's home state of Alabama. The Alabama group was there along with two local policemen.
7. According to several witnesses, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot told this group, where and when they last saw Natalee. They say that they dropped her off about 25-26 hours previously (2:00 AM Monday) in front of her hotel. One witness, a local businessman, Charles Croes who was in the group, is a key witness to Joran's comments, stating, " He told me that she had been doing drugs and possibly been drinking, too." Croes also said, " He repeated to me over and over again was his desire to help find her, that if there's anything he could do to help find her, he would, just please ask him, that kind of thing. It was a very scared young guy, who seemed to be wanting to help." Croes was asked, "Is there anything that he told you or he said that would suggest that he had any sort of inkling that she was missing and there was some foul play? Croes answered, "No."



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Statements revision history-
1. Voluntarily at the police station, all three men each give a statement regarding the events of the evening (and early morning) prior to Natalee Holloway missing her plane. Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot repeat the same statement made earlier. Satish Kalpoe (who had not been present at the early morning confrontation with police present), makes the same statement as the other two.
2. Days later, after being arrested for suspicion of a possible crime in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and in jail, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe, separated from one another and from Joran Van der Sloot, each change their statement (this is to be their only revision), as follows:


a. Both Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe say they dropped Joran Van der Sloot with Natalee Holloway at a local beach (Mariott beach, also known as Palm Beach) at about 2:00 am and arrived at their home shortly thereafter.
b. Satish's statement is that he went to sleep after arriving home.
c. Deepak Kalpoe's statement says:
Shortly after 2:00 am, after arriving home, he got on his computer . He offers logon records on the internet to verify this action and time.
2:30 am: He says that Joran telephoned (cellphone) Deepak and asked for a ride.
2:40 am: Joran called Deepak again, says he is walking home, that he left Natalee on beach. (cellphone grid triangulation shows Joran on the beach)
3:00 am: Deepak says that he is conversing in a computer chat room with a friend in the US.
3:15 am: Deepak states that Joran text messages Deepak saying he has arrived home.(cellphone grid triangulation shows Joran is at his home.)

(Source: Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, who states that computer and phone records confirm Deepak's statement and Joran's locations and times.)


3. Joran Van der Sloot made a second revision to his statement to agree with Satish Kalpoe's and Deepak Kalpoe's second statement (that Joran and Natalee were dropped on the beach), except in Joran Van der Sloot's second version, Joran further states that he left Natalee on the beach and he stated that Deepak Kalpoe picked him up in his car at the beach after his phone call and took him to the Van der Sloot home.
4. Throughout his custody, Joran Van der Sloot has never changed the part of his statement, which agrees with the final version of Satish Kalpoe.
5. After Joran Van der Sloot is shown the computer records (and Deepak's statement) Joran then makes a third revision to his statement to agree with Deepak Kalpoe's statement, that after he telephoned Deepak Kalpoe, Deepak did not pick him up, but instead he walked home from the beach (about a 40 minute walk). Evidently, Joran made a verbal assertion prior to changing his statement in which he surmised that perhaps Deepak came back after dropping him at home and raped and murdered Natalee. That Joran made this speculation is confirmed at least by David Kock (Satish attorney). However, it evidently was not signed by Joran. This is discussed further in an "Unsubstantiated Information" page. Then after Joran is shown the computer records and Deepak's statement he retracts that speculation as well as changing his own statement.
6. No further changes in their statements past the second revision have ever been made by Satish Kalpoe or Deepak Kalpoe.


Note that Joran has made 3 statements (versions):
Version 1. Dropped Natalee at Holiday Inn
Version 2. Natalee and Joran were left at Mariott beach. Joran left Natalee on beach, called Deepak for ride. Deepak picked him up and took him home. Text messages Deepak saying "call me."
Version 3. Same as version 2, except Joran says he called Deepak and told him he is walking home. Text messages Deepak later to say he has arrived home.


7. Subsequently, over several weeks, Joran Van der Sloot modifies his third statement (version 3) several times to add events which he says occurred after Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway were dropped off at the beach.
8. These revisions occur upon Joran Van der Sloot's reading of typed copies of his statement and then editing his previously signed statements. In the following fashion Joran Van der Sloot has edited his version 3 statement many times, ostensibly to correct and expand on certain facts:


a. As Joran Van der Sloot recalls minor details which he had forgotten to include earlier.
b. As Joran Van der Sloot's memory is refreshed when investigators compare known facts, such as geographical fixtures at the beach location, to his earlier recollection.
c. Maybe on advice of his attorney, Joran Van der Sloot recounts information he was reluctant to tell, like perhaps details of consensual sex or mutual drug use.

9. None of Joran Van der Sloot's statements admit to his causing any harm to Natalee Holloway or knowing about her ultimate fate or destination. He maintains his innocence, through all the statements, of any wrong doing concerning Natalee Holloway or any knowledge of any details about her disappearance, with one possible exception. This exception is discussed on the "Unsubstantiated Information" page where an unverified statement was reported to have been made by Joran implicating Deepak. Interestingly that unverified statement would be consistent with Joran's version 2, above.

10. Possible reasonable explanations for various versions:
Judges can make conjectures (often these arguments are advanced by the defense attorney) in order to decide if certain behavior, such as making a false statement or revising a statement, is reasonably not conclusive to be an indication of guilt. These are possible reasonable explanations a judge might consider:


a. Joran Van der Sloot might have been at first embarrassed to admit that he did as cavalier (uncouth or unmannerly) a thing as to leave an unescorted woman alone at the beach. This could account for the first version (version 1 above).
b. Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe might have been merely backing up the statement of their friend (Joran Van der Sloot) thinking it was harmless to do so, and also wanting to save Joran Van der Sloot from the embarrassment of telling about leaving a young woman alone in the middle of the night. This might account for the Kalpoes first version.
c. Why Joran would tell the second version (version 2 above)? If the third version (version 3 above) is the truth, then version 2 would have been an unnecesary complication to the story (and while version 1 lie has a forgivable explanation, if version 2 is a lie, there is no reasonable explanation). But, what is significant is that he changed to version 3, only when shown the Kalpoe computer records and after being confronted in a face to face encounter with Deepak during interrogation. A perhaps more logical explanation might be that Joran's version 2 is the correct one (truthful) and that the computer records actually don't exonerate both of the Kalpoes, since Satish could have been the one on Deepak's computer while Deepak was picking up Joran and taking him home. If that were true then Deepak would be a more likely suspect, with Satish an accessory in covering up Deepak's involvement.
d. Possible reasonable explanations why Joran Van der Sloot did multiple edits of his statement:

c1 - Better recollection of the sequence of events at the beach area,
c2 - Revelation of acts between Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway, which Joran Van der Sloot, at first, wanted to remain discreet.
c3 - Correction of details of geographical structures present at the scene,
c4 - A simple jogged memory correction of who Joran Van der Sloot talked to when called concerning picking him up at the beach.
c5 - Correction of his recollection of the timing of certain contacts with the other two men after evidence was shown Joran Van der Sloot showing details of various phone or text message records.


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It should be noted that making revisions to any sworn statement, offered in response to police questioning, does not provide evidentiary indication that the previous version of the statement is now perjurious. Making revisions to statements to improve their accuracy is always suggested and encouraged by investigators (if anything additional is remembered, etc) and looked upon favorably by the court. Previous statements corrected in sworn subsequent versions are no longer admissible as evidence and cannot be used against a defendant in a court of law. The lastest sworn statement is considered the representation of record. A suspect (or defendant) is not required to make any statement and so, all such are voluntary.



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Concerning evidence that a crime was committed:
1. Evidence concerning the status of Natalee Holloway:


a. Natalee Holloway was last seen with the three men. (statements of bar patrons).
b. Natalee Holloway was left on the beach (statements of the three men).
c. See the "Unsubstantiated Information" page concerning Joran's (not verified) speculation about Deepak Kalpoe, which is interestingly, also consistent with Joran's version 2, above.
d. Natalee Holloway missed her flight home to Alabama.
e. There have been no communications from Natalee Holloway.
f. Extensive search efforts cannot find Natalee Holloway or her body on the land or in waters surrounding Aruba.
g. Natalee Holloway is still missing.

2. Forensic evidence of a crime against Natalee Holloway:


a. No forensic evidence was presented to the court, which would indicate any harm came to Natalee Holloway.
b. No forensic evidence even supports that Natalee Holloway was ever in the company any of the three men
c. Only statements of the three men and fellow bar attendees are evidence of her being in the company of the three men.

3. Speculative scenarios
Any scenarios such as: Natalee Holloway was a runaway, a kidnap victim or a murder victim are based only on speculation, or facts not in evidence, and cannot be considered in these proceedings.

4. Unsubstantiated information
In order to present the whole picture we also present "Unsubstantiated Information." This is for rumors, possible witnesses such as the "gardener," supposed confessions or speculations or other information not yet in evidence, but theorized by some as having a possiblity of becoming evidence. Click here to read.



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How would the judges decide?
Suppose this was what was the total of what was allowable to be presented to all judges presiding on a three judge panel by the prosecution. How would any one of those judges upon hearing this decide? Charged with the rules of law and evidence,

How would you decide? I THINK THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumors, theories and speculation - "facts not in evidence."


In order to present the whole picture, this section is for "Unsubstantiated Information" in the case against Joran Van der Sloot. This page is for rumors, possible witnesses or any information advanced (written about) in one of many forums (or media news vehicles), but not yet in evidence. Everything here has been theorized by some as being factual or having a possiblity of becoming evidence, but just doesn't measure up yet to evidentiary standards.

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See the The Evidence line - for "facts in evidence."
If you got to this page without seeing the "evidence line", you should click the link to read the actual evidence known to date, which could be presented by the prosecution against Joran Van der Sloot in an actual trial. The view is from the prosecution's perspective.

Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant, but are presented here because some of this information and speculation might eventually become probative (able to be used as evidence) if specific substantiation or proof can be uncovered.



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Unsubstantiated information
Many of the following are interelated and involve one or more of the others. They are presented separately, because each represents its own set of circumstances, but some discussions will mention the relativity of the related other subjects.

1. Sexual assault


That Joran sexually assaulted an unconscious Natalee
Dave Holloway has made public statements that Joran admitted to sexual assault. Beth Twitty has made similar assertions. It is not clear if they are saying that this was an admissiom made in an interrogation or something that was overheard by another prisioner or whether it came from another source (such as an internet theory?), or whether they were referring to the night of the Twitty (and friends, along with two Aruban police) visit to the Van der sloot home where Joran was said by some to have admitted to having had sex with Natalee.

Validity: Being drunk, does not necessarliy make an individual unable to carry on a conversation or to make decisions. Having sex with a drunken female is not prima facie evidence of rape (or sexual assault). If that were so then there would be a million rapes every Saturday night all over the US.

About detainment specifications. An aruban attorney unrelated to the case stated that in the detainment specifications were suspicion of murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of an unconscious person. However, attaching significance to this is not necessarily well founded. This is because, when a suspect is brought in under Aruban law they have to detain them with the full extent of what eventually might be charged, even though no evidence might be known. It is a seemingly strange way (the reverse to the US system), but that is the way it is done. Therefore, they let their imaginations run wild and the detainment description is written for a wide range of things as in this case, perhaps from murder to kidnapping and even sexual assault with an unconscious person, if they can imagine that, but that is not an indication of a real suspicion of anything or any facts in evidence.

Often the prosecutor and sometimes even local Aruban attorneys incorrectly state these in a media announcements as "charges," because of language difficulties. So, it could be that this wide range of detainment conditions is the source of the rumors about the sexual assault as those conditions for detainment have been leaked and misinterpreted by some (maybe the Twittys) as being evidence of crimes.

The first mention of this came from Beth Twitty.


In a news report dated 07-14
http://www.kfmb.com/story.php?id=17702

The mother of Natalee Holloway said Wednesday July 14, in an interview said police told her that van der Sloot admitted to them he had engaged in "sexual acts" with Holloway the night of her disappearance.

"I believe that, if it happened, it was against her will," Twitty said.


Then this was refueled later from Jug Twitty and from Dave Holloway


August 8th on Hannity and Colmes with regard to the alleged "sexual assault" by Joran on Natalee
Jug Twitty: "It's documented" the sexual assault by Joran; We've known that since the first night... I'm saying that Joran admitted that he commited a sexual act to Natalee against her will; I'm saying that on the record. I didn't say anything before, because we wanted the aruban LE to do their job. Statements have been given that omitted some of those things, that's serious

Jug Twitty : "How about I tell you he said it when I was there that night, he didn't say it to me but to witnesses there that night. It's also documented in other other places."


Then the next day this is what Dave said:

Fox Hannity & Colmes, Aug 9th with Dave Holloway
Sean: I guess the biggest development we had yesterday Dave,…I am a father, I know this is hard for you. Apparently, you guys have had information for some time that you believe that authorities have known and that there was admission of forced sexual contact with your daughter.

Dave: Well, I would rather not get into any details. But, we do know that Joran admitted to some sexual…aggravated sexual assault or whatever the term was used. We were aware of that and he was behind bars at the time.


However, in a interview on Aug 26, Dave Holloway talked about the statement that Joran made on the night when the Twitty's questioned Joran at his home (the night following her disappearance). His conclusion was somewhat different than his earlier statements. Dave said then that he understood that Joran stated that had sex, but that it was consensual. Dave said that to his knowlege this was the origin of the claims that Joran had admitted to sexual asault.

You can draw your own conclusions from these statements. Some people have speculated that this admission, combined with the Deepak email (see entry below), where he talked about Natalee falling asleep, caused some to conclude that Joran had sexual relations with an unconscious Natalee. And perhaps that might be the reason for accusations of assault.

See the entry number 6 (below) in these unsubstantiated statements regarding Joran's confession (actually an accusation of Deepak). In this unverified statement Joran is supposed to have surmised that Deepak raped Natalee.


2. Gardener's testimony

That Joran and Kalpoes were seen at 2:30 am.
A witness known as to the press as "the gardener" presented testimony before the judge of instruction that at 2:30 am on the morning of the Monday, May 30, 2005, he saw a car matching the description of Deepak Kalpoe's automobile in front of the Racquet Club which is across from the Marriott Beach (Palm Beach). He states that he saw all three "suspects" in the car at that time. If this information is correct then the statements of the Kalpoes and Joran would have been refuted because the Kalpoes say they were home at that time and Joran says he still at the beach.

Validity: According to statements from the Kalpoe attorneys, the time presented by the gardener was in direct conflict with facts already in evidence, namely the logging on of the Kalpoe brothers' PC at home and of the evidence from mobile phone grids showing location of cellphone calls from Joran which would have placed him at the Palm Beach (also known as Marriott beach).

Many thought (even hoped) that the testimony of the gardener would land the Kalpoes back in jail. Upon questioning it turns out the opposite. Even the judge reprimanded the gardener for not being consistent in his answers.

However, if you see Joran's statement version 2 (see Evidence Line) and you consider along with that, the unverified Joran confession (or Joran accusation of Deepak), which is entry number 6 on this page, then that would mean that the computer data is not valid (Satish could have been on the compupter, while Deepak was out in the car). If that were the case then maybe the three in the car were Deepak, and two other people (not Joran or Satish, since we have evidence they were both at home).


3. Date rape drug

That Joran (or Kalpoes) gave Natalee a "date rape" drug
Some have theorized that Joran and the Kalpoes have used date rape drugs in the past. They describe how on personal websites Joran was making references to having used date rape drugs to seduce girls in bars. This theory says that perhaps Joran and the Kalpoes followed a pattern of finding American tourist girls on their last night in Aruba and at closing time slipping them a date rape drug knowing that they wouldn't have any recollection of the later sexual assault events of the evening (until perhaps back in their home city in the US).
Validity: While an interesting theory without having a body to check for residual drugs or other supporting evidence this would not be able to be presented in a trial.


4. Kidnapping- phony taxi


That Natalee was tricked. Thinking Kalpoe car a taxi.
Some witnesses saw Deepak "steering" Natalee from the Carlos 'n Charlies bar. Some people have theorized that it was out of character for Natalee to depart with strangers unless she thought she was in a taxi. This "phony taxi" theory is also coupled with the concept of the suspects using a date rape drug.
Validity: Satish Kalpoe's attorney stated that in the prosecutor's file, which he was permitted to see that the Kalpoe car with Joran and Natalee in the back seat stopped a short distance from Carlos 'n Charlies and that several Mountain Brook students (fellow traveler of Natalee) asked Natalee to get out of the car and go with them. In their sworn statements the other students said that Natalee replied negatively and said that she was going to go for a ride with the three guys. If this is true then at that point Natalee was going voluntarily with Joran and the Kalpoes.

5. The Deepak emails


That Deepak wrote emails to a friend describing the events
More to come on this
Link to the "Deepak e-mail"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=223

Deepak said in that unverified Natalee was "very drunk" while still in C&C.

In addition Deepak susposedly states that:

"so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday"

Validity: No way to verifiy the legitimacy of this email. If it is true there might be information here which could provide some clues.


6. Joran's confession (or accusation)


That Joran implicated Deepak in a "confession."
Aruban newspaper Diario published, what the newspaper says is, a signed police interview (not by Joran, but by a policemen whose signatures are not shown) on June 13 with Joran van der Sloot in which van der Sloot says Deepak Kalpoe raped, killed, and burried Natalee Holloway.

The Diario had been reporting on this document for some time but were been accused by competing local media for making it up. The item was published verbatim. Jossy Manur assures and claims that it is a direct copy of the police document, obtained through one of his sources. It has not been independently verified.


Translation of Declaration from Dutch: The suspect J.A.P. (Joran) van der Sloot walked with us (the police) a little bit further on and he declared to have suspicions that the suspect D. Kalpoe did bury the girl there somewhere.
According to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, the suspect D. Kalpoe had returned to the girl after having left her sleeping on the beach. To our question to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot what he thought had happened between the girl Natalee Holloway and the suspect D. Kalpoe, he declared that he thought that the suspect D. Kalpoe raped and killed the girl.

Thus written by us, under oath made under our testimony, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th, 2005.

The signature is obscured.


Validity: No one has seen this "document," except the newspaper editor Jossy Mansur (El Diario). Evidently a copy (or translation of it) was given to Beth Twitty who took it with her on a trip to Alabama. Joran's attorney said that it is possible Joran might have said something to the interrogators like this, but only in an off handed manner, just out of frustration of them asking him what he thinks might have happened. He said that Joran has never offerered or maintained the position that Deepak had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. Further, it is against the law for the prosecution or police to allow any interrogation documents to be made public, so the credibility of this being an actual police statement is questionable.

However, when asked about this statement in an interview with Greta Van Susteran David Kock, Satish Kalpoe's attorney responded with this:


David Kock speaking about what Joran has said: "...he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

Maybe Joran was actually telling the truth in his second version (after telling the Holiday Inn lie). See version 2 in theEvidence Line page. In Joran's second version, he said that Deepak came back picked him up to the beach and took him home. Notice that Joran only changed his story when the police interrogators showed him the computer records (and showed him Deepak's statement that he was home on the computer.) Further, news reports at the time said that the interrogator allowed Deepak and Joran to be together in an interrogation room which was highly criticized in the press. Reportedly, after they showed them each other's statements, was said that Deepak got angry with Joran about Joran's version 2 and emphatically told him that the computer records showed he was home. Joran then changed his statement to version 3. Very strange.

Perhaps, the police have concluded (as David Kock said) that the only proof that Joran's version 2 didn't happen is those computer records. If the computer records) are the only proof that version 2 isn't factual, maybe it is the truth. Maybe the computer records were altered during the ten days prior to arrest. Maybe, it was Satish on the computer. If so, then it could be deduced that Deepak went back and picked up Joran (and then did other things).

So, with some simple deductive reasoning, the alibi for Deepak goes away and now the Joran accusation takes on much more significance. Maybe Joran heard Deepak confess this whole scenario to him during the ten days before they were incarcerated. Maybe that is why we saw the police taking Joran out to the beach on two occasions for an expansion of his accusation. Maybe Deepak after taking Joran home picked up a couple of friends who went back to the beach. Maybe they gang raped Natalee, killed her and then buried her body.

Some convincing substantiation of Joran's account:


The Twittys and the Holloways when they were called into a meeting on June 10 with the FBI who told them that the case was solved. Then they told them all had been retracted:
To get the feel of their frustration, note this excerpt from an interview on July 12 on MSNBC about those June 10 events, with Paul Reynolds (Beth's brother).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822/


Quote:
SCARBOROUGH: Did any government authorities ever tell you that there was a confession in this case regarding Natalee?
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.

You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.

SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.

How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. {there's more, but snipped here, click on link above for full transcript}


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The Twittys simply were thrown a curve on this. My guess is that a decision was made to bury this and trap the Kalpoes (and probably the FBI was in on it). So on June 11 the investigators decided to take another approach and perhaps they invited Joran to "appear to" retract that statement and "change" his version of events (to match Deepak's story).

More to come


7. Joran's changing stories


That Joran has told 22 different accounts of that evening.
This has mainly come from statements by Beth Twitty and has been repeated by many media commentators. Generally, the logic advanced here is that anyone telling that many stories must be quilty of causing harm to Natalee.

Validity: It maybe that the whole 22 versions recounting has been a "spin" done with Beth Twitty (maybe she was helping the investigation knowingly) as an effort by the police to take the emphasis away from the 3 versions which Joran told. This would be because of the significance of Joran's version 2 (see the Evidence Line) in this investigation. The following is a quote from Greta Van Susterern:

From Greta wire: "Because of the lack of information from the police or prosecutor in Aruba, there are many "stories" running around masquerading as facts. The safest way to address the "facts" is to assign the author rather than vouch for them myself. One of the conflicting facts is how many statements and/or stories Joran van der Sloot (search) has made.
Joran van der Sloot's lawyer says Joran has made 23 statements, but only three different stories are contained within the 23 statements. The three separate stories were made early on and then, apparently, per the lawyer, Joran has repeated that third story 20 more times in written declarations.

I don't know if it much matters whether there are three different stories with 20 consistent statements to the third story or if there are 23 different statements/stories. Once you have two materially different statements, you have a liar on your hands.

But a lie is not enough to prove a crime occurred and that the person who lied committed it. You need proof of a crime — here that someone actually died and that it was at the hands of another (murder.) A lie proves you have a liar on your hands — and of course legitimately raises high suspicion — but is not enough to convict of a crime of murder. This is why this prosecutor faces a big challenge in this investigation. If she believes a murder has been committed, she must prove the actual murder (not a disappearance alone) and who did it."


It could be that the police have put out the 22 versions story to cloud the signifcance or the actuality that there were only 3 versions, because understanding that the difference between version 2 and version 3 might be the crux of solving the case.

Note that in the Evidence line we show and discuss the 3 versions of Joran's statements. If version 2 is correct, then perhaps the unverified Joran accusation about Deepak (see the number 6 discussion on this page) was really made (it fits with version 2). It could have been that the Twitty's were telling about the 22 versions as a red herring to take emphasis off of the 3 versions in order to make the Kalpoes more at ease while free. It could be that the police have always believed version 2 and the so-called confession (accustation) and have been investigating that way all along. Go back and read above, the Joran confession (accusation) discussion (number 6) .

More to come


8. Body disposed in landfill


That suspects gathered at the landfill for body disposal
This was quite a story where a witness came forward and made statements that on a day shortly after the disappearance he saw a blond haired body being disposed of in the local garbage landfill by people meeeting the descriptions of Joran, the Kalpoes, along with Paulus Van der sloot, Joran's father. Even a pickup truck was described and a license plate given.

Validity: The witness has changed his story several times. The pickup truck was proven to be in another location. Bon Dia (Aruban news source) says that the suspects were being interrogated at the same time as the witness says they were dumping a body. The landfill was searched several times although the search was eventually called off without it being fully explored.

10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following are excellent summaries of the investigation and the case. There has been so much arguing about what is a "fact" (tante) and what is a "rumor" on this board. Well here are the facts and the rumors:

THE FACTS

This is an discussion about the Natalee Holloway disappearance and the possible trial of Joran Van der Sloot.

In order to present the whole picture, we also have a section entitled "Unsubstantiated Information." (below) This is for rumors, possible witnesses or information not yet in evidence, but theorized by some as having a possiblity of becoming evidence. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the link to this special section.

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Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant.

The purpose of the hearing is to determine, first," Has a crime been committed ? " A trial can only be brought, based on evidence (presented by the prosecution), which proves a missing person is dead, evidenced by a body or sufficient forensic evidence to indicate that a murder took place. However, a trial could also be brought without a body based on the testimony of credible witnesses that such a crime was indeed committed.

Secondly, if it is determined that the crime of murder was committed, the purpose of the court would be to determine the guilt or innocence of the person accused of the murder based solely on facts permitted in evidence. Circumstantial evidence can be admitted into the trial, but a conviction based only on circumstantial evidence is improbable unless there would be a convincing preponderance.

Any information, whether factual of speculative, about the history of the missing person or the accused, which would be considered unfairly prejudicial to the case will be excluded from the court proceedings.



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What are the "facts in evidence?"
What could be offered as evidence by the prosecution?
Although, other information is known about the missing person and about the accused, only what the court considers relevant will be allowed to be presented as evidence.

1. Late one Sunday evening May 29, 2005 from about 9:00 PM until about 1:30 AM (now Monday, May 30, 2005), an 18 year old girl, Natalee Holloway, a tourist to Aruba, was last seen at a Carlos 'n Charlies, a restaurant and bar, which is a popular eating, drinking and dancing establishment.
2. Natalee Holloway was seen leaving at the closing time of the restaurant, which was about 1:30 AM, Monday May 30, with three local men ( Satish Kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot). Deepak Kalpoe was driving. Satish Kalpoe the front seat. Joran and Natalee were in the back seat.
3. No witnesses state that they saw anything irregular about the event of her leaving. Natalee tells some of her fellow travelers and fellow bar attendees, who inquired about her "well being" outside the bar that she is "ok." Witnesses state that Ms Holloway does not appear to be impaired in any way. She is heard to yell cheerfully, "Aruba!" from the open car window as they depart.
4. In interview records (made available to Kalpoe attorneys), several of Natalee's fellow student travelers stated that as he was driving away, Deepak.stopped his car a short distance away from the area,"at the intersection next to the bus terminal" close to where Carlos 'n Charlies is located. They stated that it was at this intersection, not far from C&C's, where a group of the other students were waiting for taxis. Some of the students asked Natalee to get out of the car and be with them. She refused. They stated she said wanted to go for a drive with the three boys.
5. Natalee Holloway missed her flight back to Alabama, failing to show up in the lobby of her hotel for transportation to the airport at 10:30 AM the next day (Monday).
6. Between 3:00-5:00 am, the next morning (now Tuesday, May 31, 2005), Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot, were confronted in the middle of the night outside of the home of Joran Van der Sloot by a group of relatives and friends of Natalee Holloway, all of whom had arrived a few hours earlier from Natalee's home state of Alabama. The Alabama group was there along with two local policemen.
7. According to several witnesses, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot told this group, where and when they last saw Natalee. They say that they dropped her off about 25-26 hours previously (2:00 AM Monday) in front of her hotel. One witness, a local businessman, Charles Croes who was in the group, is a key witness to Joran's comments, stating, " He told me that she had been doing drugs and possibly been drinking, too." Croes also said, " He repeated to me over and over again was his desire to help find her, that if there's anything he could do to help find her, he would, just please ask him, that kind of thing. It was a very scared young guy, who seemed to be wanting to help." Croes was asked, "Is there anything that he told you or he said that would suggest that he had any sort of inkling that she was missing and there was some foul play? Croes answered, "No."



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Statements revision history-
1. Voluntarily at the police station, all three men each give a statement regarding the events of the evening (and early morning) prior to Natalee Holloway missing her plane. Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot repeat the same statement made earlier. Satish Kalpoe (who had not been present at the early morning confrontation with police present), makes the same statement as the other two.
2. Days later, after being arrested for suspicion of a possible crime in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and in jail, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe, separated from one another and from Joran Van der Sloot, each change their statement (this is to be their only revision), as follows:


a. Both Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe say they dropped Joran Van der Sloot with Natalee Holloway at a local beach (Mariott beach, also known as Palm Beach) at about 2:00 am and arrived at their home shortly thereafter.
b. Satish's statement is that he went to sleep after arriving home.
c. Deepak Kalpoe's statement says:
Shortly after 2:00 am, after arriving home, he got on his computer . He offers logon records on the internet to verify this action and time.
2:30 am: He says that Joran telephoned (cellphone) Deepak and asked for a ride.
2:40 am: Joran called Deepak again, says he is walking home, that he left Natalee on beach. (cellphone grid triangulation shows Joran on the beach)
3:00 am: Deepak says that he is conversing in a computer chat room with a friend in the US.
3:15 am: Deepak states that Joran text messages Deepak saying he has arrived home.(cellphone grid triangulation shows Joran is at his home.)

(Source: Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, who states that computer and phone records confirm Deepak's statement and Joran's locations and times.)


3. Joran Van der Sloot made a second revision to his statement to agree with Satish Kalpoe's and Deepak Kalpoe's second statement (that Joran and Natalee were dropped on the beach), except in Joran Van der Sloot's second version, Joran further states that he left Natalee on the beach and he stated that Deepak Kalpoe picked him up in his car at the beach after his phone call and took him to the Van der Sloot home.
4. Throughout his custody, Joran Van der Sloot has never changed the part of his statement, which agrees with the final version of Satish Kalpoe.
5. After Joran Van der Sloot is shown the computer records (and Deepak's statement) Joran then makes a third revision to his statement to agree with Deepak Kalpoe's statement, that after he telephoned Deepak Kalpoe, Deepak did not pick him up, but instead he walked home from the beach (about a 40 minute walk). Evidently, Joran made a verbal assertion prior to changing his statement in which he surmised that perhaps Deepak came back after dropping him at home and raped and murdered Natalee. That Joran made this speculation is confirmed at least by David Kock (Satish attorney). However, it evidently was not signed by Joran. This is discussed further in an "Unsubstantiated Information" page. Then after Joran is shown the computer records and Deepak's statement he retracts that speculation as well as changing his own statement.
6. No further changes in their statements past the second revision have ever been made by Satish Kalpoe or Deepak Kalpoe.


Note that Joran has made 3 statements (versions):
Version 1. Dropped Natalee at Holiday Inn
Version 2. Natalee and Joran were left at Mariott beach. Joran left Natalee on beach, called Deepak for ride. Deepak picked him up and took him home. Text messages Deepak saying "call me."
Version 3. Same as version 2, except Joran says he called Deepak and told him he is walking home. Text messages Deepak later to say he has arrived home.


7. Subsequently, over several weeks, Joran Van der Sloot modifies his third statement (version 3) several times to add events which he says occurred after Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway were dropped off at the beach.
8. These revisions occur upon Joran Van der Sloot's reading of typed copies of his statement and then editing his previously signed statements. In the following fashion Joran Van der Sloot has edited his version 3 statement many times, ostensibly to correct and expand on certain facts:


a. As Joran Van der Sloot recalls minor details which he had forgotten to include earlier.
b. As Joran Van der Sloot's memory is refreshed when investigators compare known facts, such as geographical fixtures at the beach location, to his earlier recollection.
c. Maybe on advice of his attorney, Joran Van der Sloot recounts information he was reluctant to tell, like perhaps details of consensual sex or mutual drug use.

9. None of Joran Van der Sloot's statements admit to his causing any harm to Natalee Holloway or knowing about her ultimate fate or destination. He maintains his innocence, through all the statements, of any wrong doing concerning Natalee Holloway or any knowledge of any details about her disappearance, with one possible exception. This exception is discussed on the "Unsubstantiated Information" page where an unverified statement was reported to have been made by Joran implicating Deepak. Interestingly that unverified statement would be consistent with Joran's version 2, above.

10. Possible reasonable explanations for various versions:
Judges can make conjectures (often these arguments are advanced by the defense attorney) in order to decide if certain behavior, such as making a false statement or revising a statement, is reasonably not conclusive to be an indication of guilt. These are possible reasonable explanations a judge might consider:


a. Joran Van der Sloot might have been at first embarrassed to admit that he did as cavalier (uncouth or unmannerly) a thing as to leave an unescorted woman alone at the beach. This could account for the first version (version 1 above).
b. Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe might have been merely backing up the statement of their friend (Joran Van der Sloot) thinking it was harmless to do so, and also wanting to save Joran Van der Sloot from the embarrassment of telling about leaving a young woman alone in the middle of the night. This might account for the Kalpoes first version.
c. Why Joran would tell the second version (version 2 above)? If the third version (version 3 above) is the truth, then version 2 would have been an unnecesary complication to the story (and while version 1 lie has a forgivable explanation, if version 2 is a lie, there is no reasonable explanation). But, what is significant is that he changed to version 3, only when shown the Kalpoe computer records and after being confronted in a face to face encounter with Deepak during interrogation. A perhaps more logical explanation might be that Joran's version 2 is the correct one (truthful) and that the computer records actually don't exonerate both of the Kalpoes, since Satish could have been the one on Deepak's computer while Deepak was picking up Joran and taking him home. If that were true then Deepak would be a more likely suspect, with Satish an accessory in covering up Deepak's involvement.
d. Possible reasonable explanations why Joran Van der Sloot did multiple edits of his statement:

c1 - Better recollection of the sequence of events at the beach area,
c2 - Revelation of acts between Joran Van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway, which Joran Van der Sloot, at first, wanted to remain discreet.
c3 - Correction of details of geographical structures present at the scene,
c4 - A simple jogged memory correction of who Joran Van der Sloot talked to when called concerning picking him up at the beach.
c5 - Correction of his recollection of the timing of certain contacts with the other two men after evidence was shown Joran Van der Sloot showing details of various phone or text message records.


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It should be noted that making revisions to any sworn statement, offered in response to police questioning, does not provide evidentiary indication that the previous version of the statement is now perjurious. Making revisions to statements to improve their accuracy is always suggested and encouraged by investigators (if anything additional is remembered, etc) and looked upon favorably by the court. Previous statements corrected in sworn subsequent versions are no longer admissible as evidence and cannot be used against a defendant in a court of law. The lastest sworn statement is considered the representation of record. A suspect (or defendant) is not required to make any statement and so, all such are voluntary.



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Concerning evidence that a crime was committed:
1. Evidence concerning the status of Natalee Holloway:


a. Natalee Holloway was last seen with the three men. (statements of bar patrons).
b. Natalee Holloway was left on the beach (statements of the three men).
c. See the "Unsubstantiated Information" page concerning Joran's (not verified) speculation about Deepak Kalpoe, which is interestingly, also consistent with Joran's version 2, above.
d. Natalee Holloway missed her flight home to Alabama.
e. There have been no communications from Natalee Holloway.
f. Extensive search efforts cannot find Natalee Holloway or her body on the land or in waters surrounding Aruba.
g. Natalee Holloway is still missing.

2. Forensic evidence of a crime against Natalee Holloway:


a. No forensic evidence was presented to the court, which would indicate any harm came to Natalee Holloway.
b. No forensic evidence even supports that Natalee Holloway was ever in the company any of the three men
c. Only statements of the three men and fellow bar attendees are evidence of her being in the company of the three men.

3. Speculative scenarios
Any scenarios such as: Natalee Holloway was a runaway, a kidnap victim or a murder victim are based only on speculation, or facts not in evidence, and cannot be considered in these proceedings.

4. Unsubstantiated information
In order to present the whole picture we also present "Unsubstantiated Information." This is for rumors, possible witnesses such as the "gardener," supposed confessions or speculations or other information not yet in evidence, but theorized by some as having a possiblity of becoming evidence. Click here to read.



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How would the judges decide?
Suppose this was what was the total of what was allowable to be presented to all judges presiding on a three judge panel by the prosecution. How would any one of those judges upon hearing this decide? Charged with the rules of law and evidence,

How would you decide? Before answering, consider also the unsubtantiated facts, rumors and theories related to the investigation and to the case:

FACTS PENDING VERIFICATION

Rumors, theories and speculation - "facts not in evidence."


In order to present the whole picture, this section is for "Unsubstantiated Information" in the case against Joran Van der Sloot. This page is for rumors, possible witnesses or any information advanced (written about) in one of many forums (or media news vehicles), but not yet in evidence. Everything here has been theorized by some as being factual or having a possiblity of becoming evidence, but just doesn't measure up yet to evidentiary standards.

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See the The Evidence line - for "facts in evidence."
If you got to this page without seeing the "evidence line", you should click the link to read the actual evidence known to date, which could be presented by the prosecution against Joran Van der Sloot in an actual trial. The view is from the prosecution's perspective.

Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant, but are presented here because some of this information and speculation might eventually become probative (able to be used as evidence) if specific substantiation or proof can be uncovered.



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Unsubstantiated information
Many of the following are interelated and involve one or more of the others. They are presented separately, because each represents its own set of circumstances, but some discussions will mention the relativity of the related other subjects.

1. Sexual assault


That Joran sexually assaulted an unconscious Natalee
Dave Holloway has made public statements that Joran admitted to sexual assault. Beth Twitty has made similar assertions. It is not clear if they are saying that this was an admissiom made in an interrogation or something that was overheard by another prisioner or whether it came from another source (such as an internet theory?), or whether they were referring to the night of the Twitty (and friends, along with two Aruban police) visit to the Van der sloot home where Joran was said by some to have admitted to having had sex with Natalee.

Validity: Being drunk, does not necessarliy make an individual unable to carry on a conversation or to make decisions. Having sex with a drunken female is not prima facie evidence of rape (or sexual assault). If that were so then there would be a million rapes every Saturday night all over the US.

About detainment specifications. An aruban attorney unrelated to the case stated that in the detainment specifications were suspicion of murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of an unconscious person. However, attaching significance to this is not necessarily well founded. This is because, when a suspect is brought in under Aruban law they have to detain them with the full extent of what eventually might be charged, even though no evidence might be known. It is a seemingly strange way (the reverse to the US system), but that is the way it is done. Therefore, they let their imaginations run wild and the detainment description is written for a wide range of things as in this case, perhaps from murder to kidnapping and even sexual assault with an unconscious person, if they can imagine that, but that is not an indication of a real suspicion of anything or any facts in evidence.

Often the prosecutor and sometimes even local Aruban attorneys incorrectly state these in a media announcements as "charges," because of language difficulties. So, it could be that this wide range of detainment conditions is the source of the rumors about the sexual assault as those conditions for detainment have been leaked and misinterpreted by some (maybe the Twittys) as being evidence of crimes.

The first mention of this came from Beth Twitty.


In a news report dated 07-14
http://www.kfmb.com/story.php?id=17702

The mother of Natalee Holloway said Wednesday July 14, in an interview said police told her that van der Sloot admitted to them he had engaged in "sexual acts" with Holloway the night of her disappearance.

"I believe that, if it happened, it was against her will," Twitty said.


Then this was refueled later from Jug Twitty and from Dave Holloway


August 8th on Hannity and Colmes with regard to the alleged "sexual assault" by Joran on Natalee
Jug Twitty: "It's documented" the sexual assault by Joran; We've known that since the first night... I'm saying that Joran admitted that he commited a sexual act to Natalee against her will; I'm saying that on the record. I didn't say anything before, because we wanted the aruban LE to do their job. Statements have been given that omitted some of those things, that's serious

Jug Twitty : "How about I tell you he said it when I was there that night, he didn't say it to me but to witnesses there that night. It's also documented in other other places."


Then the next day this is what Dave said:

Fox Hannity & Colmes, Aug 9th with Dave Holloway
Sean: I guess the biggest development we had yesterday Dave,…I am a father, I know this is hard for you. Apparently, you guys have had information for some time that you believe that authorities have known and that there was admission of forced sexual contact with your daughter.

Dave: Well, I would rather not get into any details. But, we do know that Joran admitted to some sexual…aggravated sexual assault or whatever the term was used. We were aware of that and he was behind bars at the time.


However, in a interview on Aug 26, Dave Holloway talked about the statement that Joran made on the night when the Twitty's questioned Joran at his home (the night following her disappearance). His conclusion was somewhat different than his earlier statements. Dave said then that he understood that Joran stated that had sex, but that it was consensual. Dave said that to his knowlege this was the origin of the claims that Joran had admitted to sexual asault.

You can draw your own conclusions from these statements. Some people have speculated that this admission, combined with the Deepak email (see entry below), where he talked about Natalee falling asleep, caused some to conclude that Joran had sexual relations with an unconscious Natalee. And perhaps that might be the reason for accusations of assault.

See the entry number 6 (below) in these unsubstantiated statements regarding Joran's confession (actually an accusation of Deepak). In this unverified statement Joran is supposed to have surmised that Deepak raped Natalee.


2. Gardener's testimony

That Joran and Kalpoes were seen at 2:30 am.
A witness known as to the press as "the gardener" presented testimony before the judge of instruction that at 2:30 am on the morning of the Monday, May 30, 2005, he saw a car matching the description of Deepak Kalpoe's automobile in front of the Racquet Club which is across from the Marriott Beach (Palm Beach). He states that he saw all three "suspects" in the car at that time. If this information is correct then the statements of the Kalpoes and Joran would have been refuted because the Kalpoes say they were home at that time and Joran says he still at the beach.

Validity: According to statements from the Kalpoe attorneys, the time presented by the gardener was in direct conflict with facts already in evidence, namely the logging on of the Kalpoe brothers' PC at home and of the evidence from mobile phone grids showing location of cellphone calls from Joran which would have placed him at the Palm Beach (also known as Marriott beach).

Many thought (even hoped) that the testimony of the gardener would land the Kalpoes back in jail. Upon questioning it turns out the opposite. Even the judge reprimanded the gardener for not being consistent in his answers.

However, if you see Joran's statement version 2 (see Evidence Line) and you consider along with that, the unverified Joran confession (or Joran accusation of Deepak), which is entry number 6 on this page, then that would mean that the computer data is not valid (Satish could have been on the compupter, while Deepak was out in the car). If that were the case then maybe the three in the car were Deepak, and two other people (not Joran or Satish, since we have evidence they were both at home).


3. Date rape drug

That Joran (or Kalpoes) gave Natalee a "date rape" drug
Some have theorized that Joran and the Kalpoes have used date rape drugs in the past. They describe how on personal websites Joran was making references to having used date rape drugs to seduce girls in bars. This theory says that perhaps Joran and the Kalpoes followed a pattern of finding American tourist girls on their last night in Aruba and at closing time slipping them a date rape drug knowing that they wouldn't have any recollection of the later sexual assault events of the evening (until perhaps back in their home city in the US).
Validity: While an interesting theory without having a body to check for residual drugs or other supporting evidence this would not be able to be presented in a trial.


4. Kidnapping- phony taxi


That Natalee was tricked. Thinking Kalpoe car a taxi.
Some witnesses saw Deepak "steering" Natalee from the Carlos 'n Charlies bar. Some people have theorized that it was out of character for Natalee to depart with strangers unless she thought she was in a taxi. This "phony taxi" theory is also coupled with the concept of the suspects using a date rape drug.
Validity: Satish Kalpoe's attorney stated that in the prosecutor's file, which he was permitted to see that the Kalpoe car with Joran and Natalee in the back seat stopped a short distance from Carlos 'n Charlies and that several Mountain Brook students (fellow traveler of Natalee) asked Natalee to get out of the car and go with them. In their sworn statements the other students said that Natalee replied negatively and said that she was going to go for a ride with the three guys. If this is true then at that point Natalee was going voluntarily with Joran and the Kalpoes.

5. The Deepak emails


That Deepak wrote emails to a friend describing the events
More to come on this
Link to the "Deepak e-mail"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=223

Deepak said in that unverified Natalee was "very drunk" while still in C&C.

In addition Deepak susposedly states that:

"so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday"

Validity: No way to verifiy the legitimacy of this email. If it is true there might be information here which could provide some clues.


6. Joran's confession (or accusation)


That Joran implicated Deepak in a "confession."
Aruban newspaper Diario published, what the newspaper says is, a signed police interview (not by Joran, but by a policemen whose signatures are not shown) on June 13 with Joran van der Sloot in which van der Sloot says Deepak Kalpoe raped, killed, and burried Natalee Holloway.

The Diario had been reporting on this document for some time but were been accused by competing local media for making it up. The item was published verbatim. Jossy Manur assures and claims that it is a direct copy of the police document, obtained through one of his sources. It has not been independently verified.


Translation of Declaration from Dutch: The suspect J.A.P. (Joran) van der Sloot walked with us (the police) a little bit further on and he declared to have suspicions that the suspect D. Kalpoe did bury the girl there somewhere.
According to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, the suspect D. Kalpoe had returned to the girl after having left her sleeping on the beach. To our question to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot what he thought had happened between the girl Natalee Holloway and the suspect D. Kalpoe, he declared that he thought that the suspect D. Kalpoe raped and killed the girl.

Thus written by us, under oath made under our testimony, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th, 2005.

The signature is obscured.


Validity: No one has seen this "document," except the newspaper editor Jossy Mansur (El Diario). Evidently a copy (or translation of it) was given to Beth Twitty who took it with her on a trip to Alabama. Joran's attorney said that it is possible Joran might have said something to the interrogators like this, but only in an off handed manner, just out of frustration of them asking him what he thinks might have happened. He said that Joran has never offerered or maintained the position that Deepak had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. Further, it is against the law for the prosecution or police to allow any interrogation documents to be made public, so the credibility of this being an actual police statement is questionable.

However, when asked about this statement in an interview with Greta Van Susteran David Kock, Satish Kalpoe's attorney responded with this:


David Kock speaking about what Joran has said: "...he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

Maybe Joran was actually telling the truth in his second version (after telling the Holiday Inn lie). See version 2 in theEvidence Line page. In Joran's second version, he said that Deepak came back picked him up to the beach and took him home. Notice that Joran only changed his story when the police interrogators showed him the computer records (and showed him Deepak's statement that he was home on the computer.) Further, news reports at the time said that the interrogator allowed Deepak and Joran to be together in an interrogation room which was highly criticized in the press. Reportedly, after they showed them each other's statements, was said that Deepak got angry with Joran about Joran's version 2 and emphatically told him that the computer records showed he was home. Joran then changed his statement to version 3. Very strange.

Perhaps, the police have concluded (as David Kock said) that the only proof that Joran's version 2 didn't happen is those computer records. If the computer records) are the only proof that version 2 isn't factual, maybe it is the truth. Maybe the computer records were altered during the ten days prior to arrest. Maybe, it was Satish on the computer. If so, then it could be deduced that Deepak went back and picked up Joran (and then did other things).

So, with some simple deductive reasoning, the alibi for Deepak goes away and now the Joran accusation takes on much more significance. Maybe Joran heard Deepak confess this whole scenario to him during the ten days before they were incarcerated. Maybe that is why we saw the police taking Joran out to the beach on two occasions for an expansion of his accusation. Maybe Deepak after taking Joran home picked up a couple of friends who went back to the beach. Maybe they gang raped Natalee, killed her and then buried her body.

Some convincing substantiation of Joran's account:


The Twittys and the Holloways when they were called into a meeting on June 10 with the FBI who told them that the case was solved. Then they told them all had been retracted:
To get the feel of their frustration, note this excerpt from an interview on July 12 on MSNBC about those June 10 events, with Paul Reynolds (Beth's brother).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822/


Quote:
SCARBOROUGH: Did any government authorities ever tell you that there was a confession in this case regarding Natalee?
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.

You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.

SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.

How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. {there's more, but snipped here, click on link above for full transcript}


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The Twittys simply were thrown a curve on this. My guess is that a decision was made to bury this and trap the Kalpoes (and probably the FBI was in on it). So on June 11 the investigators decided to take another approach and perhaps they invited Joran to "appear to" retract that statement and "change" his version of events (to match Deepak's story).

More to come


7. Joran's changing stories


That Joran has told 22 different accounts of that evening.
This has mainly come from statements by Beth Twitty and has been repeated by many media commentators. Generally, the logic advanced here is that anyone telling that many stories must be quilty of causing harm to Natalee.

Validity: It maybe that the whole 22 versions recounting has been a "spin" done with Beth Twitty (maybe she was helping the investigation knowingly) as an effort by the police to take the emphasis away from the 3 versions which Joran told. This would be because of the significance of Joran's version 2 (see the Evidence Line) in this investigation. The following is a quote from Greta Van Susterern:

From Greta wire: "Because of the lack of information from the police or prosecutor in Aruba, there are many "stories" running around masquerading as facts. The safest way to address the "facts" is to assign the author rather than vouch for them myself. One of the conflicting facts is how many statements and/or stories Joran van der Sloot (search) has made.
Joran van der Sloot's lawyer says Joran has made 23 statements, but only three different stories are contained within the 23 statements. The three separate stories were made early on and then, apparently, per the lawyer, Joran has repeated that third story 20 more times in written declarations.

I don't know if it much matters whether there are three different stories with 20 consistent statements to the third story or if there are 23 different statements/stories. Once you have two materially different statements, you have a liar on your hands.

But a lie is not enough to prove a crime occurred and that the person who lied committed it. You need proof of a crime — here that someone actually died and that it was at the hands of another (murder.) A lie proves you have a liar on your hands — and of course legitimately raises high suspicion — but is not enough to convict of a crime of murder. This is why this prosecutor faces a big challenge in this investigation. If she believes a murder has been committed, she must prove the actual murder (not a disappearance alone) and who did it."


It could be that the police have put out the 22 versions story to cloud the signifcance or the actuality that there were only 3 versions, because understanding that the difference between version 2 and version 3 might be the crux of solving the case.

Note that in the Evidence line we show and discuss the 3 versions of Joran's statements. If version 2 is correct, then perhaps the unverified Joran accusation about Deepak (see the number 6 discussion on this page) was really made (it fits with version 2). It could have been that the Twitty's were telling about the 22 versions as a red herring to take emphasis off of the 3 versions in order to make the Kalpoes more at ease while free. It could be that the police have always believed version 2 and the so-called confession (accustation) and have been investigating that way all along. Go back and read above, the Joran confession (accusation) discussion (number 6) .

More to come


8. Body disposed in landfill


That suspects gathered at the landfill for body disposal
This was quite a story where a witness came forward and made statements that on a day shortly after the disappearance he saw a blond haired body being disposed of in the local garbage landfill by people meeeting the descriptions of Joran, the Kalpoes, along with Paulus Van der sloot, Joran's father. Even a pickup truck was described and a license plate given.

Validity: The witness has changed his story several times. The pickup truck was proven to be in another location. Bon Dia (Aruban news source) says that the suspects were being interrogated at the same time as the witness says they were dumping a body. The landfill was searched several times although the search was eventually called off without it being fully explored.

10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GoodGOD!! why don't you just write a book!! Shit with your longgggggg posts!! PIG Dutchen!!

10:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got a little time on your hands?? Good info even though it was a bit wordy. There is a big difference between true facts and rumor/hearsay.

10:45 PM  
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10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.ubershow.com/show.php?id=31

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How would anyone find Natalee in a place like this? They have sexual slaves operating near these goldfields. It is good business to keep the camp lively with entertainment." from - http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/09/12/ambush.shtml

"So it's clear that sex trafficking is a problem, and that if she is alive, there is no denying the possiblility of her having been taken into the world of sex trafficking. We certainly hope that she is not a sex slave, but at least it would be better than her not being alive, provided she can be found."

“In the month she was held captive, Olenka figures she was raped more than 1800 times. The men each paid the owner $50.”

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/dying/map_suriname.html

11:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Santa,

All I want for Christmas this year is to have Joran arrive back home for the holiday season, a day or two before a Sunami covers the whole freakin Island with giant waves and sea water. Thank you Santa.

12:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one has disputed the FACTS laid out earlier. Let's drop the name calling and stick to the facts. The facts speak for themselves.

The truth will be revealed. GUILTY. Keep the faith.

1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here who wishes harm to others and calls Jihad on Aruba - that makes you a terrorist and you lay down in bed with the bin ladens of the world, who are doing the exact same thing against you that you are doing now to Aruba, Holland and its residents. Except you only way to distinguish between the two is that you yanks aren't wearing turbans, and you are white hate mongers.

1:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am beginning to believe that PVDS and Van Der Straaten are informants for the DEA. They would not want any US involvement.Tell me more, what exactly would they be doing for the DEA informing on drugs available at Carlos n Charlies? There is a DEA Forwarding Base on Aruba working on Plan Colombia. It moved there after the US closed all US military bases in Panama in 1999.Aruba is critical to US in terms of Drug trafficking, money laundering and National Security.

A translation of item below offered in comments from Splaka at hasibokos.com - a fine site I wish I could read. And I do mean that. -- The translation of the Dutch article published today in Telegraaf is: Title: More proof against Joran: Dark clouds hang above the head of Joran van of the S.
There has been more proof that the 17-birthday son has of a Dutch judge had something to do with the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Joran is one of the last persons to see the 18-birthday girl alive.
She went missing during a school trip to the Caribische island. Joran was the first one to be heard as a witness, but since Thursday he has become a suspected facing charges for murder, manslaughter and abduction with the dead as consequence.
Also his two Surinamese friends, Satish and Deepak K., were taken. Sources, that have seen excerpts of the declaration of the Surinamese brothers, affirm that Joran and Natalee kissed on the back seat of the car. There has been also some sexual activity between them. Meanwhile blood tracks have been found in the car."

1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you notice how they always bring God and Hell into it. Spew hateful words and then throw religion into it, real nice Christian morals alot of these people have.

1:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aruba cops think X
may mark the spot

Missing teen Natalee Holloway may have had unwanted attention from a porn 'recruiter.'

Police are said to be investigating whether a porn filmmaker might have had a hand in the May disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
According to the latest scenario in the baffling case, someone may have been trying to talk the pretty 18-year-old honor student into appearing in an X-rated flick.

Aruba cops and the FBI are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.

Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who's now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from "another 'recruiter' who scouts South America for porn talent."

"Natalee would have been a perfect target - a naive girl from a small town," Barresi tells us. "The recruiter might tell her he wanted her to pose for some modeling test shots.

"The cops want to know whether [anyone] gave her a date-rape drug like GHB. Only, apparently, the plan went awry. She died," he theorizes, "and the porn guy may have had to get rid of her body."

Barresi believes the recruiter is likely to be "someone who lives out of a suitcase." The National Enquirer reports in its new issue that cops suspect he lives in Aruba.

The Enquirer's Rebecca Mowling and Don Gentile also report that one witness claims he saw three men dumping a body in a landfill site.

Investigators in Aruba couldn't be reached for comment yesterday.


SOURCE - NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

1:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't you know; God hates Beth Twitty- That's why he sent the hurricane to the US, to get that bitch off the news. Or how about this- It wasn't nature it was a conspiracy by Aruban judges and Dutch officals they brewed that hurricane up and sent it to the US.

1:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the Aruban Justice department learned of the plans of Joran van der Sloot to leave for the Netherlands, the Aruba prosecutors tried to keep Joran on the island by going to court on Monday afternoon to demand a restraint for Joran. The judge did not concede and Joran was able to leave Aruba that evening. When Joran arrived in the Netherlands he was greeted at the airport by various television and radio reporters who were trying to get a statement from him.

1:51 AM  
Blogger raindrops said...

Ano 10:47, do you suppose those thousands who are suffering because of the hurricane were all wishing bad things for Arubans? Probably not ... yet you seem to delight in their predictament because of the comments of a few people here who may or may not actually be Americans. No one's identity here is certain. People claim to be from one place or another and hurl invective and insult because they can hide behind anonimity. And Ano 10:16, since you use the term yank, which is a cultural epithet and a term of bigotry, what kind of hate monger are you? You complain about the hate of others while spewing plenty of your own. Is that productive? What's the point of proving you can out hate the other guy? Does that make Natalee less missing? Does that erase the shadow that lingers over Joran's life and enable him to live happily? Does any of this hatred take into account the pain of all the parents who, whatever you believed happened, obviously love these two young people? Instead of empathy or a reasoned discussion, we get treated to constant discussions that amount to my country and culture is better than yours, and I can insult you, your intelligence, your mother, and your penis size if you don't agree with me.

4:47 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Raindrops: you should get a reward for humanity!

6:15 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

....
How would you decide? I THINK THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.
6:56 PM

Great peace of writing ending with the above [I wish these posts were numbered].
These are the facts and the implications they will have on the decision of a (or 3) judge(s) in this case is there is ever a courtcase...
Without any further evidence coming up it is obvious what the court will decide: 'not guilty'.

This will not please a lot of people who would like a guilty verdict for Joran or anyone, doesn't matter, kill some-one for this crime, that we do not even know has been comitted, still, kill no evidence or proof needed, kill.

Beth tells the story:
"Hannity: There are now corroborating documents, 6 or more of them that you have now read in full, that they have known from the very beginning that Juron himself admitted to sexually assaulting your daughter, but yet, we didn't find out about it until just this week.

Beth: I want to make it clear that that information did not come from the statements that we received. That information came from Juron's mouth and he admitted that in front of the witnesses that were with us that night.

Hannity: But to explain there is redacted information in those six documents, specifically do you have all that redacted information?

Beth: No, we have not had those fully interpreted yet, so we cannot know. That is not where we received that information, it strictly came from Juron Van der Sloot's mouth."


Funny thing;
I hear something completely different coming from Jorans mouth.... namely that he says: "I am innocent"

Now if the converstaion can be kept at this level 98% reasonable and just 2% Jran/Aruba/Dutch basher, I will stop calling you Y.... :)

PS I wonder if ano 6:56 will now be seen as Anita/Paul.....
My guess is one of Jorans lawyers !

6:42 AM  
Blogger raindrops said...

That's a very reasonable offer, Auntie. I doubt some will be so generous or agree to it, but I thank you for it in advance of the renewal of attacks which may follow. I'll be interested to see what's here when I return later today. Good luck with the wild ones. :)

6:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"PS I wonder if ano 6:56 will now be seen as Anita/Paul.....
My guess is one of Jorans lawyers !
"

...dont you mean 7:12 ?

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NEWS FLASH:

Rape is a crime. Period.
In the civilized world, reasonable people agree that women and girls should be respected. What planet is the Dutch government on? To permit a confessed rapist to leave jail (as long as he behaves and eats all his vegetables) is in itself a criminal decision.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people who should worry are the women of Aruba...

Guess what ladies, it's a free reign for men! They can invade you, mistreat you, drug you, AND THEY WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!

Attention all mysogynists:

PARTY IN ARUBA!!!!!!

9:45 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"Rape is a crime. Period.
In the civilized world, reasonable people agree that women and girls should be respected. What planet is the Dutch government on? To permit a confessed rapist to leave jail (as long as he behaves and eats all his vegetables) is in itself a criminal decision."


Rape is a crime in a civilised country like The kingdom of The Netherlands (Aruba/Netherlands in this case). Period. !
Moreover we are so civilised that we would like to see some form of proof/evidence before we convict some-one.
Not just b/c public opinion or the media or "Beth-with-her-22-lies" demand it !

So the Dutch gouvernment is on planet Earth !
Anyway this has nothing to do with the gouvernment, judges (not 12 people from the street), professionals look at the evidence.... in this case the lack of evidence.....

Why don't you try some rape in The Netherlands or Aruba and see how fast your ass is in jail....?
But we don't have a KKK history, so we also don't hang Niggers [black or white] just b/c the lynch mob demands it !

So lets get back to the facts....

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction !!!

10:23 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Oops, I forgot.....

Have a nice day :)

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante Bet,
What if your Daddy knows people in high places? What if you have access to enough money "to buy" false justice? What if you have some kind of leverege over the deciding parties? What if you are caucasian and priviliged?

The risk is that you can rape and walk. Please don't run behind the lame excuse of lynching black people--Aruba was a slave island.
The Dutch traded in human bondage just as horribly as the English.
We share a SHAMEFUL history in that regard.

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran admitted it and it is in an official police document. Get over yourself Aunt Tante. Joran is a rapist we all know it, he is on a conditional release because the police are gathering more evidence against him. That is the only reason he is out.

You have a nice day now!!

10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good morning faggots

10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as the paper goes, give me a break it is very easy to tell the difference between a real and a fake police report. The report is real, Beth showed it to the people at the show who confirmed it as a legal police report. Just because you do not like to be proven wrong does not change that.

Joran's called his friends from the beach, he took natalee back to his house, text messaged them then had his way with her. What happened after that is yet to be revealed.

The little boys are going down and Aunt Tante there is nothing you can do about it. So go ahead throw your little "My Joran is innocent you yanks need to get over it" tantrum, spew your evidence crappy saying all you want. We will not stay off Aruba so you can continue trying to protect the brat, we will come back again and again and again until we get the evidence we need to put that rotten kid away for life.

Your cover up is starting to fall and the truth is going to come out sooon. 9/17/05 is not to far away.

10:58 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

" Tante Bet,
What if your Daddy knows people in high places? What if you have access to enough money "to buy" false justice? What if you have some kind of leverege over the deciding parties? What if you are caucasian and priviliged?

The risk is that you can rape and walk. Please don't run behind the lame excuse of lynching black people--Aruba was a slave island.
The Dutch traded in human bondage just as horribly as the English.
We share a SHAMEFUL history in that regard."


This does not work like that in a civilised scociety..... don't know where you are from, but it doesn't happen in The Kingdom ogf the Netherlands, however much you would like it...

Slave Island is history.... hundreds of years in the past, you mean that b/c of that Joran must be guilty ?? Huh...

"Joran admitted it and it is in an official police document."
Show me a copy pls !! Put up or shut up, just speculation and Beth lies.... so far.

"As far as the paper goes, give me a break it is very easy to tell the difference between a real and a fake police report. The report is real, Beth showed it to the people at the show who confirmed it as a legal police report. Just because you do not like to be proven wrong does not change that."
Just hearsay and questionable reporters.... come with some real facts pls.

"Joran's called his friends from the beach, he took natalee back to his house, text messaged them then had his way with her."
Your reading leaves somewhat to be desired....

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction !!!

Why don't you ask your fbi to reveal "the truth", they were there, they saw....... they don't, they won't b/c it is NOT there...!!

Have a nice day :)

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aunt Tante,
The police and the FBI will not show you this paper because you are not a lawyer or a police investigator or a parent. You see you are not part of this case. Aunts do not get to see the stuff discussed. Beth has a copy, Jorans parents probably did not want a copy but you can ask them if they have one and maybe they do and will be willing to show you, The Kalpoes I am sure will deny having a copy but you can also ask them. Aunts just really don't mean crap to the investigators, sorry your relation only goes so far.

Have a Nice Day!

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

river_52!
whoot de wakker!! ha shet n yat!!

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Sommigen!! said...

river_52 and tante bet..
Sommigen nog zegt!!
geloof dezelfde iets leuker je het!!!!!!!
tegen kwaad peipen!!
iets waar nog peipen hehehehehee!!
sommigen je leuker peipen hier wortel weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

river_52 and tante bet..
Sommigen nog zegt!!
geloof dezelfde iets leuker je het!!!!!!!
tegen kwaad peipen!!
iets waar nog peipen hehehehehee!!
sommigen je leuker peipen hier wortel weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

8:56 AM

thats right!!! :0

11:59 AM  
Anonymous jezzabel said...

Anonymous said...
river_52 and tante bet..
Sommigen nog zegt!!
geloof dezelfde iets leuker je het!!!!!!!
tegen kwaad peipen!!
iets waar nog peipen hehehehehee!!
sommigen je leuker peipen hier wortel weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

8:56 AM

thats right!!! :0

8:59 AM
AHHH!!! I had heard that too!! ;)

12:00 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"The police and the FBI will not show you this paper because you are not a lawyer or a police investigator or a parent. "

Parents don't get any papers..... ! Fool.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

go play with yourself tante

12:03 PM  
Anonymous bullshark said...

Sommigen!! said...
river_52 and tante bet..
Sommigen nog zegt!!
geloof dezelfde iets leuker je het!!!!!!!
tegen kwaad peipen!!
iets waar nog peipen hehehehehee!!
sommigen je leuker peipen hier wortel weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

11:56 AM

ummm, WHAT??

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Mrs.JimiHendrix said...

BULLSHARK!!

12:05 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

All 80 IQ points of Yankee doodleland are back again :(
Is it a genetic defect ?
Inbreeding with too many downs sydrom....
What ?
Tell me !

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an American, I will ALWAYS travel to ARUBA!!!

I will not allow a DIVORCE Mother who has no control of her kids or teaches them values to tell me not to go to Aruba. This is a mother who's word means nothing to me.

STOP LYING BETH!!! Your daughter where ever she is had fun. In her drunken state, she caused her own, she went down a wrong path. In the ocean for a swim and drowned. Stop blaming others for your fault!! Take responsibilty for your part in your daughter missing.

12:27 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Hear, hear !

12:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see see!! woop woop de wakker!!

12:46 PM  
Blogger iremember said...

"Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant.

The purpose of the hearing is to determine, first," Has a crime been committed ? " A trial can only be brought, based on evidence (presented by the prosecution), which proves a missing person is dead, evidenced by a body or sufficient forensic evidence to indicate that a murder took place. However, a trial could also be brought without a body based on the testimony of credible witnesses that such a crime was indeed committed."

Well, Aruba, I hope from the bottom of my heart that enough people will join me in supporting Beth's request to Boycott Aruba. Because if enough do, I believe that all of you defenders of "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" will finally be able to move on to other cases where you can take the side of the accused. Because once Aruba and the Kingdom (oh, LOL) of the Netherlands feels enough economic pain, watch how quickly the case gets put together.

You all seem to expect that we "Yanks" will let you put on this little charade and just go away, as though we didn't know how an investigation would proceed in any civilized country of the world IF THERE WAS A WILL TO REALLY FIND THE FACTS!

We just need to "help" you find the will, Aruba. You just wish we would go away. Sorry 'bout that.
Thank God for MSM's help with this story.

1:04 PM  
Blogger iremember said...

hey anonymous
if she went to teh beach with him and then drowned, why did he saythat he had sex with her in his house?
why couldn't he just help the LE and the family to learn what happened.
we could have accepted that ending, you know.
But that did not happen. And you know it.

And why dont you post as a real person?
Like to "hit and run"?

1:06 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....once Aruba and the Kingdom (oh, LOL) of the Netherlands feels enough economic pain, watch how quickly the case gets put together....", so Joran can be hanged high on a tree. That's what' all about; proven or not! Someone must hang, in this case the lying.....etc.....etc.... son of a "rich" family coming of!

1:09 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....Sommigen nog zegt!!
geloof dezelfde iets leuker je het!!!!!!!
tegen kwaad peipen!!
iets waar nog peipen hehehehehee!!
sommigen je leuker peipen hier wortel weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!...."

Is this the level of speaking of a shark who evoltud to living on land???

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hear, hear? I thought you didn't want americans in aruba (you probably havent even been there yourself)? What about those yankee dollars? You want them, Tante? How about some yankee pecker? That's what's got you sore, want some yankee sausage and can't get a visa. Sour grapes, heh? You are hurting the people of Aruba and havent even been there, what a dork.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante, if you're not Anita....do you look like her? I'd be pissed at the world, too.
NO looks>> NO manners>>> NO sense>> NO life>> NO dick>>> NO way!!

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what happens on 9/17/05

~S

1:20 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....(you probably havent even been there yourself)...."

You're so wrong, I was born there!

1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante you do not have the power to demand Yanks stay off Aruba. You are nothing but an Aunt who is stickin up for her nephew. Yes the parent do get privilage to police papers when their lawyer requests them. That is what Beth has along with several other things. Joran admitted to taking Natalee to his house and having sex with her while she was drifting in and out of sleep. America will not rest until we find out what happened that night. You can cry and scream all you want. We will not go away. If it was not Joran and the Kalpoe brothers so be it, however we will not go away. If you want America to go away make your Aruban LE figure out what happened. Give the parents some closer to the case. If Joran is innocent you will be helping your precious nephew by clearing his name. The rest of you who have so much energy you can sit on this blog and call names and threaten come to the south and help us clean up this mess from the hurricane. 1 time of being here and seeing how much these people need and appreciate us will stop you in your tracks and put your heart in a good place.
Have a Nice Day!

1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some guy who makes predictions and has been pretty accurate in the past said some new developments in the Aruba case is going to happen. He says around the 17th of Sept. It was on a post earlier. I think it was on that coast to coast site or something not sure. I don't know how much truth there is to it but hope something comes soon. The parents of all involved really need some closer to this ugly mess.
Oh yeah I am a Yankee American so I guess I better say:)
Have a Nice Day!
Since apparently that is what we all seem to say, ok Tante now you can laugh since I guess that is what you folks do, LOL. Silly people....

1:35 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....1 time of being here and seeing how much these people need and appreciate us will stop you in your tracks and put your heart in a good place.
Have a Nice Day!...."

We don't have to, we know; we had our 1953.

Google "watersnoodramp 1953"!

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth should be having fundraisers for those people in the south instead of being greedy and getting more money for herself.

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then you know how tragic it is, I have never been through anything like this and I have to tell you it is so emotional. I can not even begin to describe the smell, the emotions, the relief, the sadness, the heartbreak, or anything that would come close to even thinking about what it is like. To read what the news and others are saying is very heart wrenching. There have been people here helping since before the hurricane was over and they are still working 12 and 14 hour days. I don't know where the strength comes from. One of the guys said he stopped feeling after the first day, now he just does with no thought. I guess that is what you have to do. I have been at it a week and still have tears in my eyes most of the day. I am home now for a few days then will go back.
Have a nice day and Peace to all.

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is all the money going that she is collecting? Some Joe M. guy put up the reward money so where is all the rest of it going?
Hey Beth have you got an answer for this?

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have a lot of nerve!!! I attend the fundraier in Birmingham and it was wonderful. She does NOT keep the $ for herself!!! How stupid are you? All the people involved, even though they say that they non profit, she pays them. The atterney's fee, flying back and forth, etc. Being from the same community as she and Natalee, and having family that was directly effected by the hurican I can assure you that our community is helping out Immensely!!! If you dont know what you are talking about, you should probably keep your mouth shut. You have NO idea what goes on here in Birmingham, and how we are handling both situations. We are housing over 40,000 people from LA and MS. and we are continuing to hope and raise $ for the Holloway/Twitty family.

1:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante,
Just found this when I searched for the Hurricane River was speaking of, Sounds to me like you guys are pretty much in the same boat as America.
This was copied off ABC News International:

A temporary flood barrier made out of aluminum, protects houses in the village of Itteren, next to Maas river near Maastricht, southern Netherlands, Jan. 26, 2003. At the start of January the town prepared for evacuation, due to rising waters. Although the chance of a major flood is remote, all Dutch experts agree, Thursday Sept. 1 , 2005, it could happen again. The impact of such a disaster in the heart of the country, the area containing Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague, and a population would be unthinkable. Amsterdam is more than 2.5 meters (more than 8 feet) under sea level at low tide. In a flood, people might survive by climbing on the roofs, but in 1953, as happened in New Orleans this week, many collapsed.

1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a quick note to those of you threatening and mudslinging. Do you realize if anything happens to any of the family involved in this case, the FBI, CIA, and Dutch Officials will be called in to investigate. They have ways of searching the internet and finding those who have threatend harm to these individuals. This is the WWW not a private place. I would be a little bit more carefull of what you do and say. It may sound Paranoid but big brother is watching.

2:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BBC on the 1953 floods

In total, 307 people in the UK were killed and almost 100,000 hectares of eastern England were flooded, while in the Netherlands, 50 dykes burst and 1,800 people drowned. The sea reclaimed over 200,000 hectares of polder country.

River I am so sorry, I had never heard about this. I realize it has been many years but it sounds so much like what New Orleans and surrounding areas are going through I am sure it brings back many bad memories for the people in your area.

2:10 PM  
Blogger iremember said...

river_52

really, have i said anything that would lead you to speak to me as though i am advocating an extra-judicial "lynching" of Joran? Or that I even support the death penalty for this case?

No. What I want is for a real, determined investigation of the circumstances and individuals surrounding her dissappearance, including correct treatment of witnesses (not deportation, for example), and a little more transparency in the judicial process, so that we can be assured that justiceis being pursued with honest intent.

Many posters have spoken about the integrity and efficiency of Dutch Law, and have attempted to explain the confusion and frustration that the family and those of us who support them feel by saying that the Dutch legal system is different than in the US.

But certain aspects of legal process are common to all civilized nations, and so also are things like favoritism, corruption and obstruction of justice.

You see, the problem is that from beginning to now, the record shows that no one has taken this case as seriously, or prosecuted it with the intensity and transparency that it deserved.

And it is in pusuit of that that we are organizing this boycott. We want justice, and it seems to me that all you want is for us to accept things as they are and go away.

In America, we all learned long ago to question authority, and to demand accountability from our goivernemnt and the judiciary. That is why we are not the "Kingdom" of the States.

2:18 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

" Tante you do not have the power to demand Yanks stay off Aruba. "
NO ? Just wait.... :)

One day soon Beth will not be allowed back on the Island..... next NO more Yanks.

-----

"Just a quick note to those of you threatening and mudslinging. Do you realize if anything happens to any of the family involved in this case, the FBI, CIA, and Dutch Officials will be called in to investigate."

Yep these idiots would even know how to cover their tracks....

-----

Why don't you all just get back to real life, where there is never ever a conviction without evidence...... Beth her lies don't make anything thue !

Have a nice day Yanks :)

BUT

Remember;
NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>> NO Yanks on Aruba !!!

2:27 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Pls leave your god out of it, religion is for children and fools & the root of all evil !

2:28 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....it sounds so much like what New Orleans and surrounding areas are going through I am sure it brings back many bad memories for the people in your area...."

Indeed, so keep the shit that happens in NO out of this and certenly in the way it's brought now on Dutch people if they have never delt with cases like this.
Then we could go back in history to the period of 1940-1945: the destruction of many Dutch cities (not to speak of the missery in other European countries), the so called winter of hungre ('44-'45), when 10.000's of Dutch people simply starved from hungre (Noord-Holland, Zuid-Holland, Utrecht and a part of Gelderland); let's keep the persecution of the Dutch Jews out of this (140.000 lived in 1940 in the Netherlands; in 1945 there were 30.000 Dutch Jews alive)! I know whe sould be gratefull to the USA for their Marshall help! And we are still! But this won't say we have to kneel al the times for you!
And then the '90's, with the great floads in Limburg and Gelderland, due to the change of climate with much and much more rain which fell in Switserland and Germany and caused the river Rhine / Maas and Waal to fload. Shall I go on?? So don't mention NO as something we are not aware of, aware of the missery, whe've got our part of misery in the past!

2:53 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....iremember said...
river_52

really, have i said anything that would lead you to speak to me as though i am advocating an extra-judicial "lynching" of Joran? Or that I even support the death penalty for this case?..."

Iremember: the lynching of Joran, no you not in particular! But, I won't give Joran to a lot of sick-minded that travels through this blog, filled with an erormous amount of hate against this boy! And that, and only that made me became a Joran friend (Even now with contact!)
, specialy after reading from some shithead that he would like to kidnap him, drag him to Southamerica and hang him there in the jungle! That's the only time I wished someone here to hell and rot there forever! Sorry for the words, I'm usualy not that kind of type.

2:58 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

So, as our beloved tante always teaches us:

NO crime >>> NO body >>> NO evidence >>> NO proof >>> NO courtcase >>> NO conviction >>>

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh aint ya special ole queer, I have contact with Joran!! whoopee!! Good for you, poor poor you!!

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so river? You have contact with Joran too? Seriously?

~S

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh how I love this blog. But I have to finish boarding up my windows and catch the last ferry before the hurricane comes. Can't wait to come back home and see what everyone's saying on here.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous r-52 said...

Seriously? Yes, why not?

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice, isn't he? How do you come in contact with him?

~S

3:32 PM  
Anonymous r_52 said...

No, no, no! I don't think so! Nice try!

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

coss you likee me butt ribers!!

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

only contact I'd like is my foot-his head

3:35 PM  
Anonymous r_52 said...

Yes, ofcourse, that I didn't think of that!

That's all faulks! Have a good night!

3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anita looks like one of those damn demented creatures in Star Wars. You know!! dumb old slobby bitch

3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what do yoyu mean Goodenight!! Its only 2:30pm!! you sure go to bed early

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey faggots!! what up!!

3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who are you refering to as 'faggots'??

3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you.........faggot

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well thankyou very much.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not everyone is in the Central Time Zone duh!

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not a problem dickhead;(

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why call people "faggots"?
Why call people names? What does that accomplish?

Why hurl insults--the fact is Joran & Kalpoes KNOW what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Why don't they just tell what happened that night? If they are so innocent they have nothing to fear.

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop insulting Anita's appearance!
She is attractive in a blonde, European kind of way. She probably looked like Liv Ullman as a girl...
I wish she didn't HATE American so much, but I don't think she's ugly--she's actually quite pretty.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bunch of faggots ;(

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG!! quite pretty?? that bitches face could stop a clock!! LOL!! old slobby bitch

3:59 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"Statement by:
Headmaster of the International School of Aruba:
June 10, 2005
Joran van der Sloot has been a student at the International School of Aruba for the past 11 years. He is regarded as a normal teen age boy, an outgoing young man with many friends. He is an honor roll student who has studied physics and calculus, has taken Advanced Placement courses in several subjects, and is multi-lingual.
While at ISA, Joran has been a member of the Model United Nations team and represented his school internationally. He has played on school sports teams for the past 7 years for soccer, softball, volleyball, and basketball, recently receiving Most Valuable Player recognition at a Tri-Island Sports Exchange. He is also a very accomplished tennis player in competitions on the island. He has given many hours of community service in teaching tennis to youth in Aruba and assisting physical education classes at his school.
Joran is of the graduating class of 2005. He was accepted to all 6 universities to which he applied and has been invited to play intercollegiate sports. He will be attending university in the U.S. next year at his first school of choice on an academic scholarship."


Repeat;
He was accepted to all 6 universities to which he applied and has been invited to play intercollegiate sports. He will be attending university in the U.S. next year at his first school of choice on an academic scholarship.

Well, well, well.....

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no wonder paulus wanted something much more pretty!!

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOOD!! bring it on over here Jorna, will wind up slumped over a trashcan looking for you a old crusty donut NONUT!! NONUT!!

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cornelius will put a crack in his nbut the size of a fottball field
suck my dick

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Stop insulting Anita's appearance!
She is attractive in a blonde, European kind of way. She probably looked like Liv Ullman as a girl...
I wish she didn't HATE American so much, but I don't think she's ugly--she's actually quite pretty.

3:56
WHAT!!!!!!!!!
Put down the crakk pipe man!!!

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do people always diss a woman's appearance just because they disagree with her? Do you think Joran's face could stop a clock? His face resembles his mother's except he has brown hair...
I can't say they're unattractive looking people, however I do think he's a criminal in this case.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YES ANITA!! I THINK YOU ARE BUTT UGLY!! GET OVER IT, ain't like yo8u always HAVEN;T BEEN!!!!
you, I wouldn't want to suck my dick

4:21 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Funny Yanks, shame on you, now these people I would hang...;
-----
Police in northern Ohio on Monday rescued eight children whose parents told authorities they kept the kids in locked cages for their own protection.

The children, ages 1 to 14, were found locked in cages at their home in Wakeman, about 40 miles southwest of Cleveland, according to Lt. Randy Sommers of the Huron County Sheriff's Office.

The children were all either adopted or foster children, he said.

Authorities said the kids were kept in wooden cages, less than 3 feet by 3 feet, without pillows or blankets.

Shortly after being found, the children were sent to Fisher-Titus Medical Center in Norwalk, where they were listed in good condition.

The children's parents, Mike and Sharon Gravelle, had 11 children in all, according to authorities.

Police said no charges had been filed against the parents.

"Basically, the parents thought they were providing for the protection of the children from themselves and from each other," said Sommers.

"They thought there was circumstances with these children that warranted the cages at night," Sommers added, but he would not go into details of what those circumstances were.

All 11 of the children found in the home have been placed in the custody of the Huron County Department of Children and Families.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet Natalee would suck your dick.Find the whore house shes in and have yourself a good time.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BLONDE!! more like dingy yellow looking straw!! yuk!! put her upsidedown in a mopbucket and put her head to use at mcDonals

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

suck my big dick

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not Anita. I am an American blogger. I'm just tired of the few desparately immature people slamming her appearance. You know she's not ugly. You just want to hammer on somebody.

Saying mean things about Natalee is disrespecting the dead. Who raised you?

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have proof that she is dead? I didn't think so.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't tell me what you 'thik' I know, good god she is ugly as a deformative!!!! She looks like haduhdoidoidoi!!
suck my dick

4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mom it's Hootie. We need to talk. Have we raised enough money in this scam so I can come back home? Please mom I'm tired of living in this 3rd world whore house you and Jug put me in.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

last poster,
would you please get your stupid old mother off my dick

4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is this? The Middle School hour? You guys are so immature!
You actually think Natalee is alive and living in Usama Bin Laden's harem or something? Poor thing has probably passed away. I hope not--but after all this time??

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey if your dick was worth sucking you wouldn't have to beg.

4:47 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

And they wonder why more than half the world hate their guts...

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Birmingham District Leader of the Beth Cult Posse:

Tsk tsk tsk - flabby lips will get you fired from your position!

You wrote: "All the people involved, even though they say that they non profit, she pays them."

THANKS for the incriminating evidence. So the non-profits and volunteers are getting paid even though they aren't legally allowed to be paid, and Beth says they aren't ..but is infact paying them behind closed cult doors? Sounds shady to me. And none of that sounds legal at all. Infact, there are INTERNATIONAL laws and regulatory systems that regulate the not-for-profit sector. Me thinks the FBI, IRS & Aruban authorities should be made privvy of this declaration, and follow the million dollars tracks. Especially international laws since they have and are pillaging millions of dollars from Arubans, Americans, Canadians plus numerous other countries. Non profits can't be on a payroll so how are they getting paid by Beth & Jug? Anyone who was "non-profit" *wink wink* in Aruba and who got paid to work - NEEDED a permit to WORK, so that was breaking the law and committed a crime. They are non-profit criminals..do not give them safe haven in your cunt-ries!

Sounds like money laundering to me. Or is that why there are so many bank accounts being opened in so many different states and countries!

1) Misappropriating funds
2) Money laundering

State laws require that Beth & Jug must file with each State Attorney General's Office for each state which they illicit funds and donations.

CONTACT: Rhonda Barber - 1-800-392-5658 (Alabama State Attny Gen office) to report them. The same must be done for each State officials - especially Mississipi and Arkansas!

Has Beth & Jug filed for a 501(c)under the IRS code?

They are accepting donations at banks under a trust for Natalee, but that money is now property of Beth to use under certain LEGAL obligations.

Legally Beth & Jug are only allowed to receive 1/3 of their support from the public. They can not rely on fundraising and pillaging from people and corporations without
(a) contributing themselves
(b) declaring it
(c) paying taxes.

So if $2 million dollars has at least been raised already - in a 4 month period, and that must be 1/3 then Beth & Jug have to contribute $2 million x 2/3 more from their own pockets.

Even church donations are NOT tax exempt.

here are some sample laws they must abide by:

Keep Adequate Records (EVIDENCE)
File Required Returns (FAILED)
Provide Donor Substantiation (FAILED)
Obey Disclosure Laws (SHOW US THE $ AND RECORDS)
Generate Public Support (financially only - noone can stand them)
Avoid "Excess Benefit" (FAILED)
Shun Political Activity (FAILED!!)
Limit Legislative Activity (FAILED)
Limit Unrelated Business Activity (FAILED)

more legal education to follow..

5:03 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

:)

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth Holloway - Twitty
George (Jug) Twitty

IRS: To Report Suspected Tax Fraud , Call 1-800-829-0433. If you have information about an individual or company you suspect is not complying with the tax law.

FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Call (202) 324-3000 , report this activity.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

auntie, are you one of the fat redheads joran kissed when he got out? or ae they aunts on his momma's side. nah, can't be... they aren't dwarfs.................

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

evening folks!
i'd like to go back to this 'police report' Beth is talking about. I read somewhere that she got that report from Jossy Mansur. How the **** does a newspaper guy get hold of an official police report. Maybe coz it's NOT official??
And also while the investigation is still going on, official documents cannot be made public. If they are, they cannot be used in a trial IF it ever comes to that. Maybe Beth should have sat down and try to understand/learn the Dutch law instead of mocking it.

DG

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where did you read it? explain where...

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like you can actually do something about Beth and her fundraising efforts, you are a nobody just like everyone else on here. As for the comment earlier supposedly from Natalee, grow up. That is so juvinile.
River in reference to your comments about all the tragedy in the Netherlands, I was trying to have a decent conversation with you. You appranetly are not capable of one. If you go back through you will see that Tante is the one who brought up the NO tragedy to start with. The first several days it was a main topic of conversation to down America because of this tragedy. My point was to try to get people to see what a tragedy it really is and that it should not be joked about. You apparently have a great deal of hate in your heart. I must have misjudged you. I am not nor have I ever slammed either side of this debate.
There is evidence that Joran sexually assaulted Natalee. The police have this evidence and that is why he is on restricted release. I hope he does not come to school in America for his sake. I do not want harm to come of anyone I simply want this case solved.

Have nice life, I will not come back to this blog. You are all full of hate and I will not be part of it.

Oh Yeah
Have a nice day, Peace love Happiness Faith and Hope Always and GOD BLESS YOU NO MATTER WHAT!

5:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth doesnt mock the dutch law, only the monkeys that enforce it in Aruba. Puuuyaa!

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard a large team of investegators from great britain going to aruba on a fact finding mission.

5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In USA Beth has at least 2 accounts set up at 2 different banks: AM SOUTH & Trustmark - with main branches set up in Mississippi and Alabama, for anyone across USA to deposit cash into their accounts, not to mention bank account in Aruba. (over $2 million dollars in 4 months). They do everything double - money flowing in to 2 hotels in Aruba via snail mail - Holiday Inn & Wyndham Hotel + residence in Alabama. Undisclosed amount of cash and cheques. Meanwhile free hotels, free cab rides and free plane rides. Free meals too. Free rides from media crews and paid appearances on the news. Multiple church donations in Mississipi, Arkansas, Alabama, Aruba & Canada to name a few. Money from benefits - churches and private auctions - raised several thousand dollars. Peddling bracelets for cash - working without a licence in Aruba again.
All this money must be declared and accounted for, pillaging $ is a crime. Paying non-profits anyway ---------isn't that nice she has so much free money to pass around. What type of shady "non - profits" are also taking her cash when they aren't supposed to be .....ESPECIALLY when there are a million displaced victims of Katrina who need help, they have no food or water or homes or clothes. How comforting to sleep in a shelter with thousands of other people, while Beth lives in her mansion and continues to raise more money to add to her millions while other Americans ......who have MISSING daughters, sons etc, whose parents did not send them unescorted to a foreign country!!!!!! SHAMEFUL .....and they call themselves Christians!

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Breaking News!!!
A small 6 person Cessna crashed in Aruba. Crashed landed in the cementery. The Aruban LE has recovered 24 bodies and are finding more as they dig.....stay tuned.

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i can't remember been on quite some sites about this..i'll go try and find it again

DG

5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All those people displaced because of Katrina, are homeless and penniless but all of them would rather be penniless and have their daughters and loved ones with them. Beth, on the other hand is becoming rich (er) and poor Dave (biological dad) who did not even want his daughter to go to Aruba but big bad Beth allowed it even though Dave forbid it. Dave doesn't care about $ or the media - he has been quoted saying "it's about my daughter and not the media or anything else". Coming from a man who was digging in a dump for days, looking for a possible decomposed body of his daughter - a position no father should be in, or should be taking part of but he was doing it, while Beth & Jug were on tv instead talking about it, they NEVER once got in that dump and lifted a finger. They bitch about everyone else looking for their daughter but how were they physically contributing to that?

5:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No, no, no! I don't think so! Nice try!"

Whats that suppose to mean?

~S

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mom it's Hootie. We need to talk. Have we raised enough money in this scam so I can come back home? Please mom I'm tired of living in this 3rd world whore house you and Jug put me in.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

()(0) pow!

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
All those people displaced because of Katrina, are homeless and penniless but all of them would rather be penniless and


WHAT!!! Now that is the most ignorant thing I've seen yet!! just because they lost so much in the devistation of the hurricane has NOTHING to do with loosing their pennis!!!!!! I am going to report this to the moderator!!

5:43 PM  
Blogger Secret Loverzzz said...

Anonymous ^^^ What the hell are you talking about?? They were saying that they bet the victims of Hurrican Katrina would rather be penniless than to be missing family members. Damn...

5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO they were not!!! and I have reported them to the moderator for being so insensitive!! I can read!!

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can read, you'd see they said pinniless, nothing to do with pinises!! GAW!!!!

6:07 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

PENIS!!!!!!!!! not pinises!!!!!!

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well I don't know about you but we spell it pinis. calm down

6:10 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

whatever then, how do you spell ASSHOLE!!!!!

6:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why so rude?

6:12 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

because I am thats why!! you got a problem with that!!! assface??

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is spelled pinis and no, I got no problem

6:14 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

you got one now PENISFACE PENISPENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for the love of GOD!!! why are we arguing about that, this isn't the site for this

6:17 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

its what I think it is for thats why!! who the hell are you!!

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone had too much coffee for dinner it seems...

6:19 PM  
Anonymous kitkat said...

someone can't spell it seems...

6:20 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Lying Beth with her Katrina blues.... the Aruban gouvernment taking advantage of Katrina to let Joran & Co out... :)

That date, bitch Beth was set the that Joran was arrested;
The days they can hold a person, each time strong(er) evidence needed to hold them longer.
2
8
14
30
30
----
86 + 30 = 116 max

Joran was released day 86, so how could the Aruban gouvernment know about a Katrina "apportunity" 86 days in advance..... ?

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and she is a bitch(beth) natalee is a slut, why is that??
because they are thin and pretty??
someone is green with envy??
I see the nursing home put river_52 to bed early today, she was yank-ing on all the old mens dicks. It was on the news.

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth is starting to nudge her way back onto the tv sets. We get to watch the lies start to flow from her mouth once again.

7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So where is my good friend Un-Tante? I have yet to see a funny original Un-Tante comment????? Knock Knock Knock
Hello may I help you?
Um Hi Mrs Un-Tante, um you look nice today, can Un-Tante come out and play?
Why is that Tante rag being mean, hurtful and spitefull again?
Un-Tante......Un-Tante one of you friends is here and you need to go get that Tante Skank she is saying mean nasty things again.
Ok Mom I am on my way!!!

hehehehehehe

7:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante did you fall asleep during math again? That is not how you count and you know it. Now you go sit at that table in the corner and practice your numbers young lady!

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran is only a few months younger than Natalee but Joran is a giant dick capable of puncturing Natalee body and got her bleeding badly which eventually caused Natalee's death. Joran's dad Paulus might have covered the DNA evidence with the dog's blood on the discarded mattress found earlier at the north beach. The most imhumane thing was J*PVDS never would seek medical help for Natalee and let her bleeding to death. Rape is crime, and cruelty is murder.

7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Penis, Pinis, Tomato, tomatto, who cares, well besides Jorans mom since his dad wont give it to her because he is all wore out from the porn movies with Tante.
Let me tell you that family knows how to keep it in the family!

7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth = modern day Tammy Faye Baker and Jug = modern day Jim Baker. All liars and embezzlers.

Same MO

- using ministry to bilk millions of dollars. (how many different church denominations in 3 different countries is Beth using to pillage millions? - last weekend Mississippi benefit - for HER pocket not Katrina victims. She had the audacity to do that in the state she is not from, and a state that was hit by Katrina -if she could she would rob New Orleans parishes of their city's cash too! I wonder if she hijacked food and water transport trucks to feed her Non - profit paid staff too? Did she steal any debit cards to use at Louis Vitton too while she is at it?

-always on the media broadcasts - 30 TV stations, 200 cable outlets and internationally through TCT Satellite Network of Worldwide Satellites

- bank accounts all over USA and world to get instant deposit free cash

- Masters of subtlety & deception affecting total paradigm shifts in people's thinking & value systems without them even realizing Beth (aka Tammy) & Jug (aka Jim) are doing it.

-using religion as a means to ripoff the masses.

Like any fools demise, they got greedy and got caught. So will B & J.

Jim Baker was convicted of money fraud - mail and wire. Baker was also caught paying off people to hide a sexual relationship affairs and homosexual relations. We already know B & J (not to be confused with bj) are already paying off people, and non-profits too! Will Jug get outted and come out of the closet too? ;) Will the person he's servicing with bj's come forward? Although me thinks greta is a man.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop bashing Anita ! What would look like if you had cried your eyes and heart out, because your innocent child was in prison. If he had been in America he would never have spent one day in jail.
Beth does not want anyone to go Aruba, because she wants the island for her and Jossy's private playground. What else could it be? She seems to feel perfectly safe running around the island, slandering the accused and their families and belittling the Dutch government and Aruban Police.What makes her think that she won't disappear too? Beth needs to "ABOSLUTELY" get herself a "HUGE" dictionary and learn some new adjectives. I am sick of her flapping her jaws and Jossy making up stories. I saw him sweating profusely too, when talking about the dump.
Tante Bet, I'm with you 100%. I do hope that Natalee is found alive, but her mom needs to get back to Alabama and stay there. Good luck to Joran ! Hope all those against you have to eat crow soon.

7:42 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Hear, hear :)

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or when Joran sucked Anita's head at the airport, that was an reenactment of what he did to Natalee. Not only Natalee was let bleeding, he actually would dare to suck the virgin blood off from Natalee. Joran bragged about sex (oral?) with Natalee and claimed he never harmed her

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the saying "eating crow" is definately appropriate, and soon we will see Beth on tv with "egg on her face" (for those who know what that means).

Anyone ever hear the saying - empty cans make the most noise? Well the ones screaming the loudest here ... The clowns who keep screaming that VDS have connections in Aruba, meanwhile the truthful facts, which All of you can validate online with actual evidence is that Beth & Jug are the ones with the real connections in Aruba. I hope you redneck inbreds can follow the connections here:

Let me entertain you with an guessing game ...

What Aruban was on Fox news most nights (paid appearances) and full of manure (shit)? initial JM

Which Aruban family M--S-R) owned a paper (the liar -io) and published Beth & Jug's lies and claimed things without any evidence (hence Beth calling this man a hero)?

This same Aruban paper owner (M-n--r)was the one who happened to "find" this witness who claimed to have seen the boys by the pond by the raquetclub - and got pond searched? This "witness" also happened to be one of his family's paid employee's (gardner to the Mansur family)! What a coincidence. Oh btw this same witness could not even pick out the 3 boys in a police line up in front of the judge ..therefore not credible witness! haaaaaaaaaaa

Now here comes the connection to the Holloway Twittys - - - - -
are you all sitting?

Are you all sitting comfortably?

Let's begin:

The Mansur family and Jug Twitty know each other for decades. They all attended the Castle Heights Military Academy in Lebanon, Tennessee.

Allow me to elaborate when I say all who attended and graduated from prestigious Castle Heights Military Academy in Lebanon, Tennessee:

Jossy Mansur - we all know who he is right? (graduated)

Eduardo Mansur (Jossy's son) graduated and brothers - Jossy Jr,
Luis Miguel graduated 1982 -lives Oranjestad, Aruba: asst director of Diario and family construction company)
cousins Alex Mansur, Farid Mansur and Serge Mansur:
Alex Mansur - graduated
Farid Anton Mansur: graduated 1982: nickname FREDDY (coincidence Freddy arrested?;) Works royal dutch airlines.
Serge Mansur graduated 1983(Aruba -general manager Cigarette Factory)
George Jug Twitty - graduated

Other Aruban connections from same academy:

Aldric "Dicky" Arendsz - Aruba: Works now aruba airport

Mayra C.M. Ruiz Arendsz - Aruba - works Aruba's Telecommunications company

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ps it is no coincidence that Arthur Wood (the so called non -profit volunteer) is connected to both families. Jossy Mansur invited Art Wood (Arthur E. Wood - ex FBI) to the island to help find witnesses and he so happened to come across the witness (gardener employeed by Mansur family) who came fwd to lie and say he saw boys by pond (couldn't pick them out in police line up in court in front of judge). Wood also was the dude who "happened" to find the witness (bum) who claimed to have seen them dump body at dump. Wood - connection to Jossy Mansur- connected to Jug - came up with these "witnesses". Wood rented a backhoe from the Mansur construction company and started the dig ....all witnesses were found not credible. BTW Wood of course is non-profit paid *wink wink*

Hey anyone realize the gardner was columbian? Any connections.

Hey has anyone given the Mansur's lie detectors? They have construction companies ....could have easily buried a body - had the equipment and concrete etc.

8:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Applause! Thank you for that info. I haven't trusted Beth's hero, Jossy, from day 1. He sure did come up with a good deal of witnesses after the ante was upped on the reward money. Bet you, he paid his witnesses and going on a 50/50 chance that something might be found he would come out the winner. Then he could pay that $20,000 back rent on the building his casino is in.
I also understand, that pron guy "Mr. Pink" was Natalee's breakfast buddy several mornings while she was in Aruba.

8:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee might have menses before the fatal trip to Aruba, and she brought some PMS medication prescription with her. Joran said Natalee took drugs which was true, but it was probably true Joran gave Natalee some love chocolate (with date rape drug). Who knows, the PMS, love chocolate and alcohol certainly would knock Natalee out in one second. Then Joran and the boys took Natalee straight to his apartment. When they pulled Natalee's panty off, there were the menses and tampon. Joran unplugged the tampon and pushed his giant dick into Natalee. And Satish screamed "Something bad happened". What do think now?

8:54 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

That Manure guy is just too funny & Jug has a killer hairdo, so he must be guilty :)

I just cannot figure out the connection between "Virgin Saint Nat'lee" Geraldo and the Manure fam. ?

Any suggestions...

8:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah I got a suggestion,
suck my dick

9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are plenty of Jug's other connections from Castle Heights Military School - alot of alumni from VENEZUELA - Caracas etc.

The circle of suspicion is widening!!!!

Aruba - venezuela - jug

9:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The blood is in your mouth and in your dick. Joran, you have nowhere to run, might well as flying back to Aruba island to redeem yourself. What you have done is a TABOO. You have stolen a forbidden fruit. This is the biggest crime, and you cannot be forgiven. The whole world is watching you every move and crawl on this earth.

9:24 PM  

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