Monday, September 26, 2005

Joran Van Der Sloot Denies Responsibility
A suspect in the case of an Alabama teenager missing in Aruba admits he lied about the last time he saw her on the night she vanished, but he insists she was fine, according to a television interview. He talked to a producer for "A Current Affair" in Holland, where he is attending college. The interview is scheduled to air Monday.

Any other lies you would like to tell the world?
Joran, you have lied through your teeth about everything, including the night that you left Natalee Holloway off at the Holiday Inn. You had concocted the lie with the Kalpoe brothers and most likely Paulus Van der Sloot as well. Why are we supposed to believe what you are saying now? (Read More)

130 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let him deny it...like the people from the other topic have been saying;

Anonymous said...
I think everyone is too busy picking sides to know what they should really be doing, and that is praying that Natalee is ok and that she will be found Alive. I found this website today, and it really made me realize that this is what we should really be doing. Helping to Bring her home or find out what happened to her. Not putting the blame on someone until the hard facts and evidence is found.

http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

Anonymous said...
Mr. Toyota here, hi. I'm back and I just wanted to say that it's a pity that my fellow Americans and their European counterparts can't stop but resorting to calling each other names.

Think about Natalie and DISCUSS and debate the FACTS.

Natalie, my prayers are with you.



These two people are the only ones on here that are even making any sense!

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran, are you 16 or 18 years old? People hate to know that you lie about your age. Please publish your birth certificate on the webste to prove that you are born in Holand with your recorded birth date. Joran, you have to prove yourself to the whole world that you are not a naturally born liar.

1:27 PM  
Anonymous TK said...

Oh please....who cares how old Joran is. I think he is 18. Just because someone lies about their age or name or even where they live doesn't make them a criminal. I can understand why he and the other boys "agreed to lie". They probably wanted to make themselves look a little better by saying they dropped Natalee off in front of the Holiday Inn and into the arms of security guards, instead of, that she insisted on staying on the beach and Joran who had been drinking as well left her there. It just sounds nicer... more hospitable. But leaving someone alone when they request you to is not a crime. I think that is all Joran and these boys are guilty of...leaving her alone on the beach and making up the lie about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn. Besides there were beach patrol on the beach and she wasn't far from her hotel. They probably didn't feel it was too unsafe to leave her there. And her high school friends were all around there on the beach or swimming pool. Who knows what happened? I feel for Joran.I truly think he is innocent of harming Natalee. He probably thought she would be fine on the beach. Who can blame him? He is young and so was she. I believe it was consensual as well. I think she wanted him just as much as he wanted her. She was flirting with him according to her friends. She probably wanted to party with him all night, but he HAD to go to school in a few hours...he had final exams and it was a school night. I am sure she didn't want him to go as she wanted to continue the party until her plane departed. I don't believe she is as innocent and angelic as some people try to portray her. She is a normal fun-loving teenage girl. She is NO saint...nothing wrong with that. She was having fun in Aruba...after all wasn't that the purpose of the trip in the first place? JMHO!

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^^ above, shut the hell up

2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Let him deny it...like the people from the other topic have been saying;

Anonymous said...
I think everyone is too busy picking sides to know what they should really be doing, and that is praying that Natalee is ok and that she will be found Alive. I found this website today, and it really made me realize that this is what we should really be doing. Helping to Bring her home or find out what happened to her. Not putting the blame on someone until the hard facts and evidence is found.

http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

Anonymous said...
Mr. Toyota here, hi. I'm back and I just wanted to say that it's a pity that my fellow Americans and their European counterparts can't stop but resorting to calling each other names.

Think about Natalie and DISCUSS and debate the FACTS.

Natalie, my prayers are with you.



These two people are the only ones on here that are even making any sense!

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See what happens here: someone like TK above writes their own opinion (which by the way was very open-minded, no name calling, no racial remarks, ect.)and then someone tells you to shut the hell up because they want to censor what you said. If you don't like what is written here maybe you should not visit this site.

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^^^ you can shut the hell up too

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well aren't you grown-up. No one on either side of this issue is going to shut up anytime soon! Maybe next time you can actually write your own opinion or at least something worth reading.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the three losers are guilty, punishment is coming to them and anyone that believes that thay are innocent are morons. If you are American, I just exercised one of my rights- figure it out

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think everyone is too busy picking sides to know what they should really be doing, and that is praying that Natalee is ok and that she will be found Alive. I found this website today, and it really made me realize that this is what we should really be doing. Helping to Bring her home or find out what happened to her. Not putting the blame on someone until the hard facts and evidence is found.

http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

Anonymous said...
Mr. Toyota here, hi. I'm back and I just wanted to say that it's a pity that my fellow Americans and their European counterparts can't stop but resorting to calling each other names.

Think about Natalie and DISCUSS and debate the FACTS.

Natalie, my prayers are with you.

These two people are the only ones on here that are even making any sense!

3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think about Natalie and DISCUSS and debate the FACTS.


Ok, lets. What are the facts? Official facts, that is. I dont want to discuss opinions, they are like assholes. Lets hear the facts. How do you know what the facts are if not even the people involved know what they are? Have some sense.

3:46 PM  
Anonymous uncle bob said...

UMMM, hello...this isnt Sherlock Holme's website on solving the crime...hello?????Do you really think you have anything useful to help with the case? Who has official facts anyway???Its about the obvious, I guess OJ and Scott Peterson are innocent too, huh?i think its amamzing that you knuckle heads can actually side with that oaf-bastard- then join him in the Netherlands and shut the hell up

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you ask me this person is the only one who makes any sense

Anonymous said...
I think everyone is too busy picking sides to know what they should really be doing, and that is praying that Natalee is ok and that she will be found Alive. I found this website today, and it really made me realize that this is what we should really be doing. Helping to Bring her home or find out what happened to her. Not putting the blame on someone until the hard facts and evidence is found.

http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is TANTE? Did she fall off the face of the earth? Oh wait she probably has not been back back, because Tante is ANITA!

4:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante is getting her back waxed

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante is getting her ass waxed? Who's the brave one? I'll buy that brave soul a drink. Shit, got a visual...gonna buy me a drink instead. anita, got any of that 151 rum? Oh shit, forgot about the facts......

4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what the cover-up is when LE have the official facts and help Joran to lie about it. The flaw in Joran's mind is unraveling. Statements such as "He tries to carry Natalee's body back to the Holiday Inn hotel", (Nobody heard that statement before, this is the first time he says in the public TV interview. "To carry" means the use of force on someone who is unable to protest. "Dropped her back down" means Natalee died in Joran's hands.) "Only God Can Judge Me" means Natalee's ghost is wrenching up Joran's pain from his guilt and fear. (not from conscience). "I'm 17" means his age is somewhere between 16 or 18 or out of range. Joran's lies make people wonder the origin and facts about his birth. It will just be another part of the mystery concerning the disappearance of Natalee. Unless Joran is willing to open his birth record to the public to verify his legitimacy. People really have a big problem here in this blog debate for his innocence.

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is Deepak. I resent all you muthaf*ckers talking shit. The only ones that know the facts are me, Satish, Joran and Paulus. Well, Anita knows now, but that's not important. I wish you people would stop making things up and exagerating all the time. We will never talk. You would have to beat the shit out me before I say a word. so, the first one of you f*ckers that wants his ass kicked by me please say the word. I might look like a crack baby but I'm training to be a cage fighter. I'll kick all of you guys asses. If only you knew what I know....ja ja ja

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my goodness, it just hit me Joran is the ANTI CHRIST.

if tante is Anita, maybe she has been kidnapped!

4:33 PM  
Anonymous uncle bob said...

he isnt innocent..everything about him and his disgusting family and his retarted looking camel jockey friends yell out_LIAR.....I hope they all get the shit kicked out of them....especially Daddy Sloot

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok Deepak, before you challenge anyone to a fight, you better make sure that its ok with your momma...she might lose her job at the alamo if she finds out about you cage fighting and stuff- Ja ja ja my ass, you better park your camel right up so know one steals it, your better off riding the warthog Anita home

4:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If that was Deepak posting, I'll kiss that camel's ass!

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tounge kiss the camel?

4:45 PM  
Anonymous TK said...

Why do some of you have to resort to name calling, bashing and racial slurs? I think it's because you can't handle a decent, intelligent, articulate and open-minded discussion. So you resort to a 5 year old's mentality. Or maybe you are 5? Who knows? Anita van der Sloot seems like a wonderful, loving, caring and compassionate woman. I would love to have a mother like her. She opened her home and her heart to Beth and certain mews media persons, but all she got in return was a "big kick in the teeth". She seems truly concerned about what is right and fair, and she wants justice to prevail. If I had a son who was accused, imprisoned, slandered, libeled, harassed, maligned and threatened like Joran has been, I would be so angry, upset and sad. She has held her temper and shown nothing but grace, class and character.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anita van der Sloot seems like a wonderful, loving, caring and compassionate woman. I would love to have a mother like her.

waa-waaaaaaa...goodbye- you are boring

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do some of you have to resort to name calling, bashing and racial slurs? I think it's because you can't handle a decent, intelligent, articulate and open-minded discussion. So you resort to a 5 year old's mentality. Or maybe you are 5? Who knows? Anita van der Sloot seems like a wonderful, loving, caring and compassionate woman. I would love to have a mother like her. She opened her home and her heart to Beth and certain mews media persons, but all she got in return was a "big kick in the teeth". She seems truly concerned about what is right and fair, and she wants justice to prevail. If I had a son who was accused, imprisoned, slandered, libeled, harassed, maligned and threatened like Joran has been, I would be so angry, upset and sad. She has held her temper and shown nothing but grace, class and character.

4:55 PM

Youre right. Who would spend $2.75 on a lighted angel to show their concern. But seriously, of course it's not her fault that her son is a lying bastard. So far, that's the only thing they can really pin on him. Things will change, time....nothing but time. Besides, I'm not 5, I just turned 8. So there.

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

give the poor kid a break!

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

which kid?

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TANTE IS ANITA THAT IS A FACT....GOOD MAYBE SHE WAS KIDNAPPED...LOL THIS SITE WOULD BE MUCH NICER!

Has anyone been to that site
http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

It is pretty nice actually. It will melt a cold heart!

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth and her clan are blinded at this point and will never seek the truth. She is too busy slandering people and making up her own senerio's and she will continue to spew it as the truth with or without facts and evidence.

I praise Dave Holloway, he seems like a person with common sense. He continues to dig for the real truth and he's not a slanderous media whore.

5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante is not Anita. Nor is she even a family member. and Depak sure as hell is not writing on this blog. If you really think that was him you truly are retarded and will believe anything.

5:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave Holloway will set this right. Without a lot noise, not this year, not next...but he'll make things right.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey I just checked that web site out and you were right 5:09 PM
It does melt a cold heart. It worked on me. At least the person who made the site isn't all about putting the blame on someone they want people to hope that Natalee is ok. That is what we should all be doing screw the media!

I hope Natalee gets to go home, and I pray that she is ok!

John

5:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know the girl who made that site, and she has been following Dave Holloway not Beth. That is why it is not all about money!

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

of course it's not Deepak. That's probably Joran messing with him. they are always playing tricks on each other like blaming each other of raping and burying girls. they are so playful. don't pay attention to any of that. If Deepak wanted he could show everybody what having three balls is all about. He wouldnt be pussy footing around. He's the king of bling, the master of disaster, the ayatollah of rock-n-rolla....he doesnt need anybody to stand up for him. He kicks ass.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Joran is an illegitimate child, that will open a large wound into his innocence. The question is who teaches Joran to lie so well. Illegitmacy is a shame, and people tend to lie about it to easy the pain and to protect the identity. That is understandable. However, this abnormal pressure on a child can cause him lots of mental harms, and can cause him to act with irresponsiblity.

5:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Did you know that TANTE is ANITA? -ex friend!

5:22 PM

just read that on the other part of the blog

5:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave Holloway is a class act. He makes me smile when asked about something that Beth has stated. He always says, "well, you'll have to ask her about that". If you read between the lines, you know what he actually saying is that he doesn't believe her and will not condon her statements or actions.
WTG Dave, keep up the good work. I pray you find your answers and Natalee is alive. I pray that the three boys accused are really innocent.

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHe is alive. It was a money scam for Beth and Jug from the beggining. That's why they are not actually searching for her because they already know where she is.

Hopefully Dave can get the truth and bring his daughter home.

PS: Hey Mountian Brook kids isn't it about time you started telling the truth?

5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"SHe is alive. It was a money scam for Beth and Jug from the beggining. That's why they are not actually searching for her because they already know where she is. "

good lord! what kind of drugs are you people on? the whole thing is about bringing Natalee home, dead or alive. get over all the bullshit. a teenage girl is missing, last seen with 3 assholes. start there.

5:44 PM  
Blogger beaumania said...

The sociopath talk of the elder K. brother is so over the top that one must infer he never met miss N. We admit... haha.

5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well anyone who likes Dave and is behind him all the way to find out the truth should go to that site!

http://ashvickers.tripod.com/index.html

6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just saw current affair. Beth the liar denied AGAIN on film she never called for a boycott on Aruba. Did you loser yanks see how many times she blinks when she lies. Actually it was a very good interview, Joran stood tall and honest and NEVER BLINKED erradicly like Beth does, when someone lies. It is not a crime for him to have told one lie. How many lies does Beth the bitch say in 1 sentence. I thought it was a good interview Joran gave and yanks heard the truth from him!! Now tune in tomorrow for part 2 of Beth's lies.

6:28 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Well, finally Joran will speak for himself !

I told you all alnong that he just left her on the beach...

The guys with the murderous hairdo's came.....and.....

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee was drinking at the Excelsior since 5pm

Natalee was the one who asked Joran to go to Carlos & Charlie

Natalee was the one who grabbed Joran's hand taking him to the bar where she got up on it, called the bartender by name and asked for a jelly shot for Joran to lick of her.


Even the interviews are on to Beth's lies......tomorrow they confront her and ask her the tough question

About Beth not "knowing" her daughter as well as she thinks she does.

Tune in for more of Beth's crocodile tears.

When is someone going to confront Beth about the Twitty cousin rapists?

6:44 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Sometimes you Yanks are sooooo funny :-) LOL, Hahaha...

Until the Aruban Government decides to give the family of Natalee Holloway some answers we are going to begin to boycott Aruba. This means not only by not traveling to Aruba, but also by not using any products made in Aruba or by Aruba.
Please Don't Buy the Following Brands or Products until we get answers!

Shell Oil
Shell Gasoline and other petroleum products (note: Shell is owned by Queen Beatrix herself). If you are in a car and it pulls into a Shell gas station, tell them to go to another gas station and tell them why!
Heineken
Beer
Unilever
Dove (soaps, creams, deoderants)
Lux (soap)
Lipton (tea and other beverages)
Ice Creams: Magnum or Breyers
Vaseline
Ragu (spaghetti sauce)
I Can't Believe It's Not Butter
OMO (detergent)
Snuggle (fabric softener)
Shampoos: Organics, SunSilk, and ThermaSilk
Pond's (skincare products)
Close-Up (toothpaste) and Signal (toothpaste)
Calvin Klein and Elizabeth Arden fragrances
Philips
Amplifiers,
Answering Machines,
Beta Video Recorders,
Camcorders,
CD Players,
CD-I Players,
CD-R and CD-RW,
Clock Radios,
Color television sets,
Digital Cameras,
DVD Video products,
Electric shavers,
Equalizers,
Fax Machines,
HD-TV systems,
Lighting (and light bulbs including Halogena lilghtbulbs),
Loud Speakers,
LCD projectors,
Modems,
Monitors,
Pagers,
Printers,
Radios,
Record Players,
Scanners,
Security Systems,
Telephones,
VCRs and VCR related products,
Matchline, Proline, Trimedia, and Triton products
Set-Top Boxes (for Canal+, America Online, Direct TV, and Microsoft),
SpeechMike Pro USB
Connected Pl@net
RUSH! Portable MP3 Digital Audio Player
The Philips Arena in Atlanta Georgia
FreeSpeech Browser
KLM/Northwest Airlines
Airline
Dutch Cheeses
Gouda
Edam


Hahahaha :-)))

Please boycott, start with the oil & oil products you stupid Yanks are short already !!!

And NO we are not going to help you build dykes, you have not been nice and shall stand in the corner with a Dumb hat for two years !

6:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JORAN LIED because he was scared NOT Because he was guilty.

Beth lied/lies because she is guilty. BTW Sociopaths don't get scared anyway

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee asked Joran to stay with her all night on the beach and he needed to go home. She knew her step cousins were in the fishermans' hut waiting to have her all to themselves, and she didn't want them to rape her in Aruba like they had been doing to her in Alabama.

6:51 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Found another funny one :)

"The thought that the majority of you people are able to vote and serve on juries is a real fright. So much of the hate that you display is based on emotion and hearsay. Joran is a good kid that got caught up in the middle of a bad situation. Go down to Panama City, Florida on a summer night and you will see a city full of Jorans. Natalee was looking for a good lay and she found it but one only knows what happened after that. Whoring around has always been a dangerous business. When you leave your clothes and morals at home what is to be expected?"

Yeah, life is a bitch if you are born a Yankee :-)

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arubans must be the dumb ones...if we need oil that bad we would drill in Alaska! So you Please boycott, start with the oil & oil products you stupid Yanks are short already !!! You are not even close you dumbass

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OMG tante has risen from the dead what is your hibernation over already? Damn we were hoping it would last a year or two.

7:03 PM

Thought this was great!

I am all for a boycott....Fuck Aruba

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo Fox News!!!!! FUCKS NOOSE is smartening up.

Per verbatim

"Beth is talking AGAIN ..she is making an ALLEGATION that she CLAIMS came from a police report ...

7:11 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

http://www.geocities.com/bethhtgroup/

Yugh, I don't see a grieving mother here but someone who is full of herself and enjoying every minute of all the TV & Media attention..... :(

7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: http://www.geocities.com/bethhtgroup/

DIAGNOSIS: MUNCHAUSEN BY PROXY BETH

Dave should call child protective services and get custody of Matt before he ends up missing too.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"Aruba business appears to be good for the hotels.At the present time it is the off season for Aruba and according to several of the people I spoke to in Aruba they are saying that this has been the best off season on record in Aruba.Obviously the media swarming around the island for months and the curious traveler curious as to what was going on in Aruba over the past few months have resulted in an economic bonanza for Aruba during what is usually a slow period of time.

As to the future for business in the upcoming busy season that runs from Nov thru April I was told that it looks to be another successful tourist season as hotel bookings were reaching capacity.

So it looks like the more Beth runs her mouth the more golden eggs she lays for Aruba.

There is no way that her so called boycott of Aruba(yeah the one that she wont even admit to encouraging folks to partake in,yes the one she calls a request to those considering traveling to Aruba and any other Dutch territory,yeah that one)will be successful,it stands no chance of succeeding.

Word is Beth declared a couple of weeks ago that she was going back to Aruba but due to the fact that another Hurricane (RITA)was due to hit hundreds and hundreds of miles away from Aruba she cancelled her plans to go simply because there would be no camera for her to sit in front of.Perhaps,just perhaps she could have went to Aruba as schelduled and joined Dave Holloway on a real search for her daughter.No camera's,NO BETH.

Last night on the Big Story on Fox News channel Beth stated that she would be going back to Aruba in a coupe of weeks.Yeah that would be about the time media stops covering the recent hurricanes.I would wager to bet that she is back in Aruba as soon as she learns that there will be an available camera for her to sit in front of.NO CAMERA,NO BETH."


GREAT POST :)


Hahahaha Beth Bitch actually helping Aruba

7:34 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"Dave should call child protective services and get custody of Matt before he ends up missing too."

Yep and don't forget the murderous hairdo of Jug and the other Twits :)

7:35 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

So far everyone even the Joran hater who have seen the interview with Joran, say he is intelligent, sure of himself and clear as to the story. He doesn't know what happened to Nat'lee and looks & sounds innocent.

That's it case closed !

7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

de pot verwijt de ketel dat die zwart ziet

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome back tante! Going to watch the interview with Joran now. Catch you later.

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clearly Joran is extremely intelligent and wise and should be given alot of credit for being a man to admit he lied and for taking responsiblity for his mistakes. His parents should be proud because he was a very respectable young man in the interview, never even bad mouthed Beth (which he had every reason to). It was also nice to see his dad with him at school (and who was the black guy with his dad in the background...did they sponsor a Louisiana refugee that the American's wouldn't help? hmmmmm).

Anyway it was nice to see his dad with him at school....a caring, loving dad who is there to support his son, as opposed to a parent who sends their child unescorted to a foreign country with condoms, birth control pills and rapists step cousins who don't watch out for her & harm her and flee the island.

Tsk tsk tsk - look at the yankee whores in Aruba teaching the boys there all the american ways and tradition, jelly belly button foreplay shots ..even the Current Affair interviewer old man didn't even know what it was!!

8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bet you can't find your belly button. Fat hog

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran was very impressive in the interview and extremely articulate as he spoke english. If Beth is nice maybe he can give her some english lessons...and half of you yanks on here could benefit too from Joran's tutoring. Every other word that comes out of Beth's mouth is ...you know you know, you know what I mean, absolutely, y'all. English isn't Joran's mother tongue ----- all you redneck yanks on here are a disgrace to the english language......and I bet most of you here only speak one language. Joran probably speaks at least 3 - english, dutch and aruban papeimento (?) and he's 18 years old. Guess that what happens when you learn with your spare time instead of getting nails manicured, and doing jelly button shots in bars.

8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bet you can't find your belly button. Fat hog

8:11 PM

It doesn't matter if I can find mine or not.....seems alot of men in Alabama and Aruba found Natalee's belly button pretty easily.

8:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GIVE US HIS LOCATION AND WE WILL HUNT HIM DOWN!!!!!!

8:28 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Mr. <80 IQ is back I see :)

8:33 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Yep great guy joran. Told you from the beginning. Yanks just cannot stand losing..... kill, kill, kill is all they know.

8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just finished watching the interview on Fox. Joran appears to be telling the truth. Of course , I am no expert and I do believe in him.
Yes, I don't believe that Natalee's mother knew her daughter as well as she thinks she did. None of us really know another person, especially those closest to us.
Joran is truly sorry for leaving Natalee at the beach.
I do wish the media would leave all of them alone and let them get on with their lives.
The mystery will be sloved in due time.
All the families need to be remembered in our prayers and these other people that harbour vengence against Joran, Deepak and Satish wishing to see them dead need our prayers more than anyone. God help them all.

8:56 PM  
Anonymous TK said...

I was very impressed with the "Current Affair" interview of Joran. He was ambushed basically by this producer/reporter. He kept his composure, sounded sincere and seemed to be very honest and credible. He didn't seem distant or cold, but rather empathetic towards Natalee's family, his own family and the Kalpoe family. He admits forthrightly that he made a big mistake and used very bad judgment in leaving Natalee alone on the beach. But this error in judgment and the subsequent lie about the Holiday Inn are ALL he is guilty of, and I truly believe that. He spent 3 months in jail/prison for this error in judgment and the lie. That is definitely sufficient punishment **AND THEN SOME** for what he did. I hope and pray that he will get his life back on track and good things will come to him. He seems like a very nice young man, and I only wish him the best.

9:20 PM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

Hear, hear !

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was a top notch interview and it was evident that Joran was speaking honestly and from his heart. He displayed a very good character and being bombarded with tough questions he never once got defensive, he was very well spoken and calm natured and didn't avoid questions or divert them (or contradict himself ..all the things that BETH constantly does) but he answered them directly and honestly, and that was most impressive because not many people are so candid or honest at any age, and for an 18 year old to be so forthright was extraordinary. He didn't act a victim either, even taking responsibilty going so far to deserving to be in jail for 3 months for lying!! My God ..what an incredible young man, very old soul and wise beyond his years.

Joran is an example to many people who should learn from him because it is rare for anyone to admit they lied, let alone admit that to the entire world, and to do that and take responsibility for his mistakes is remarkable. I thought he was such a lovely young man, intelligent, very well mannered and had such a wonderful spirit about him that shone through despite the terrible circumstances. His parents should be very proud!

Joran did not sensationalise the interview by slandering others or being negative, and he had every right to have done that if he chose to but he DIDN'T. Joran was a TRUE GENTLEMAN and a loving spirit spreading kindness and compassion to all involved. Bless you Joran ...You are an example to the world of a real man.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great interview. Joran you are a stand up guy and we love you. Best of luck to you!

10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kill Kill Kill Aunte Tante? Yeah your IQ is sooooo much better then anyone else on here.

Joran, The Kalpoe Brothers and Beth have done nothing but lie and spread shit from day one. Joran and the Kalpoe brothers do it more sneakingly they put thoughts into the media through other people so they don't look bad.

For the person defending Dave so much, If Dave was such a good dad why wasnt he on the plane with Natalee? I would have thrown a huge fit but if that didnt work I would have been on the plane with her. He has gotten time off work to go how many times now that she has disapeared, what stopped him from going with her when she left?

Joran and the K brothers are starting to go public and little things are starting to come out. Slowly the pieces fall into place, those that keep threatening him please waite until we find Natalee, then you can get your revenge. Please let us find her first.

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Joran did a great job on the interview, he had plenty of time to think of everything he was going to say while he was in jail. This is what you see when someone is really good at playing the system. Yes his dad is a politician so he is with him coaching him all the way. Like father like son.

I don't buy it, he was to well rehearsed.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI Dave did not want his daughter to make that fateful trip. He refused to sign the release. Mrs. Twitty did that number all by herself.
You condoning the vengence and murder of three young men that are considered innocent until proven guilty are no better than a common criminal yourself.
Why don't you get off the computer and go find the evidence first?!

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noone could be more well rehearsed than the Munchausen by Proxy Beth whose sister in law Marcia (the mother of the rapist Hunter & Thomas Twitty) has been a public relations expert for 23 years. It was THOMAS, Natalee's step cousin who was with her in Aruba, and who was the only person who identified *wink wink* Joran to his uncle Jug. But funny thing he didn't do that in Aruba noooooo, Thomas fucked off from Aruba to find safe haven In Alabama when Natalee *wink wink* didn't show up for her flight. Thomas was the KEY to pointing the finger away from him and his twin brother to Joran. But he didn't go to Joran's house as soon as Natalee didn't show up in the lobby. They did not stay in Aruba to *wink wink* look for her. Beth and Jug knew exactly where to go when they go off their private plane when they landed in Aruba because Thomas gave them a map straight to Joran's house.

Gee Beth, if Natalee was so out of her mind and not able to think clearly for herself, at which point in Carlos & Charlies did her step cousins care for her? Why didn't Thomas or Hunter Twitty take her down off the jelly shot bar where she was letting strange foreign men have foreplay with her belly button at her REQUEST and drink booze off her....licking her body? AT what point did her step cousins tell her that was unacceptable behaviour for a virgin woman from Alabama to do? Or did that make them more hot and horny for her themselves?

At what point did Thomas, when he was playing poker with Joran - and got his information in advance did he determine this was the guy to pin it on?

Beth was VERY WELL REHEARSED because she knew NOT to tell anyone that Thomas and Hunter Twitty, NAtalee's step cousins were with her in ARuba on this trip. Dave only found this out now.......120 days later, and from the prosecution and FBI who are investigating them.

Beth is the one keeping secrets and contradicting herself and pointing fingers everywhere but at her own step cousins and at herself.

Joran is a stand up man. Doesn't anyone realize how easy it could have been for him to have denied being in a car with Natalee. The only witnesses were Thomas Twitty and a few other DRUNK off their asses foreigners. In a police line up with 10 other men do you think they could have picked him out? Whose word would be more credible, a straight A student never in trouble or drunken, drugged whores who were drinking for 12 hours before the bar closed? Joran and Deepak and Satish did not have to admit the truth at all.

So think about that you crackhead dumbass yanks.

JORAN THE WORLD SEES YOUR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY AND THE WORLD APOLOGIZES FOR WHAT THE STUPID ASS YANKS BETH & JUG AND THOMAS AND HUNTER TWITTY DID UNJUSTLY TO YOUR FAMILY.

WE hope to hear about a lawsuit against them soon!!!!!!!

12:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a part of the world, you needn't apologize for me nor declare what you think I've seen. The interview was interesting. Joran was nervous at times, composed at others, which is to be expected. He was not particularly articulate, but he wasn't inept either. I doubt it will change the minds of very many people. Those who believe he knows what happened to Natalee will see deception and those who believe in his innocence will see halos floating over his head. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been checking out this blog for a few days and it makes me sick to read the crap here. I was born in the UK. I've lived in Spain, Turkey, and the Netherlands before moving to the States five years ago. I love the UK and go home often, but I can tell you that living in the US is great. My family comes to visit all the time and they love it. We have been all over the country. I would never think of calling the people dumbass Yanks. Have any of you people outside the States ever been here? Most of the people are very nice. My only complaint is that they don't understand real football. Man Utd! Get off this hate America crap until you've spent some real time here. My girlfriend is brilliant American, not a stupid yank with a low IQ.

12:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: Get off this hate America crap until you've spent some real time here.

Why don't you get off this hate Joran & Kalpoes until you have spent some real time with them!!!!

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never said I hated Joran or the Kalpoes, love. You are inventing that outta your imagination. Don't know them; don't hate them; don't think they belong in jail until they are proven guilty. All I asked was that innocent others not be smeared in the process of defending.

1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question is still lingering in the air? Can Joran show his birth certificate to the whole world in front of the camera so people know he has legitimate parents? If not, this is the basic cover-up. This is the root of all Joran's evil. No other people can lie better than Joran himself. Joran is very cold blooded, and he has no remorse and no conscience in him.

1:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beth has no conscience. She is a compulsive liar who malisciously fabricates with the intention to deceive the masses. The FBI refuses to speak with her, as does the prosecution. Can't wait til Dave does his tell all book about Beth the Munchausen by Proxy Psycopath.

2:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran was very well composed and for an 18 year old to lie that well when put on the spot is almost imposible!! People look \in differnt directions!

6:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, to the poster who keeps talking about murderous hair - if bad hair makes you a killer, then the case is solved - dad paul vds and donald trump did it together!! get a brain and a new line, man, that is getting old - 18 year olds lie all the time - ask parents - it's what they do - doesn't prove a thing

6:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran lies about his age as well. For his physique, he must be over 18 years old or Joran is using steroids. You would never understimate Joran, he is a born liar. Joran said he never harm Natalee, and why now he said he lifted and carried Natalee. Joran was carrying Natalee's dead body. The Aruban judges said carrying Natalee's dead body is not a crime, so Joran confessed to the camera and declared he did it. Cool.

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goed gedaan Joran !

8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Blog only concludes that Jordan was believable!!!!

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you get off this hate Joran & Kalpoes until you have spent some real time with them!!!!

12:59 AM

Are you nuts!! People turn up missing when they do that.

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyway it was nice to see his dad with him at school....a caring, loving dad who is there to support his son, as opposed to a parent who sends their child unescorted to a foreign country with condoms, birth control pills and rapists step cousins who don't watch out for her & harm her and flee the island.

That's right, they drink together, gamble together, dispose of bodies together. Seems that Paulus is living his life thru Joran. I guess I would do the same if I had to wake up to Anita every morning.

9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe the stupidity when hearing a lot of people discuss this. They demand answers from the people involved, speak directly to "Aruba" as in "Aruba we want answers!" As if they think they can really break the case wide open sitting in their homes and from their computers. Also amazing that there is so much else going on in the world that has been ignored by the media. It's just SAD.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SURE Dad went to college with his son. He has to keep an eye on him. Urine is so stupid he knows that one of these days Sonny will slip up, then Sonny AND Dad are going to be in BIG trouble. He'd better keep Urine on a leash. Bet Dad wasn't very happy to see the interview the other day. Bet his blood pressure went sky high.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JORAN THE WORLD SEES YOUR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY AND THE WORLD APOLOGIZES FOR WHAT THE STUPID ASS YANKS BETH & JUG AND THOMAS AND HUNTER TWITTY DID UNJUSTLY TO YOUR FAMILY.

No we don't. We just see that your narrow ass will be walking with the free for a little while longer, that's all. Don't forget about your jail cell, you'll be back soon.

9:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He'd better keep Urine on a leash."

Witty. ha ha. NOT. People who resort to namecalling truly lack intelligence.

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
SURE Dad went to college with his son. He has to keep an eye on him. Urine is so stupid he knows that one of these days Sonny will slip up, then Sonny AND Dad are going to be in BIG trouble. He'd better keep Urine on a leash. Bet Dad wasn't very happy to see the interview the other day. Bet his blood pressure went sky high.

Left a huge puddle of sweat where he was standing. In his mind he was probably saying "Run, Joran, run...like I taught you, run you bastard"

9:48 AM  
Blogger Tante Bet said...

"For his physique, he must be over 18 years old or Joran is using steroids."

Dumb Yank, the Dutch are the tallest people in the world, good food and such....


"Have any of you people outside the States ever been here? "

Lived there 1,5 yr and another 1 year. Yugh !!

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jo! ran, run, and get running. Please don't talk no more! Please!

10:55 AM  
Anonymous macaroni tits said...

Sorry, but i do not feel sorry for Joran or his lousy -LYING family...I Hope they are moserable for years to come and Haunted bu what lies and murder can do to a family....leave Beth alone and stop being so JEALOUS of the woman - so she has money, and knows people, etc.- she is still missing her child- regardless is she was sexually active- she is 18- she can screw all of Aruba if she wants-its still sad and a tragedy that she is missing and possibly dead-

11:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bet you 10,000 million dollars that if you child's life had been threaten, you would be close by too. Hopefully the Van der Sloots have body guards. I sure as hell would.
What the heck is Beth going to Holland for anyway? She tells the rest of the world not go to any of the Dutch territories and yet she is the first to board a plane to Holland. Whatthu f!@#@ is she doing?
JORAN, PLEASE DO NOT SAY ANOTHER WORD TO ANYONE ABOUT THIS CASE! You do have the right to remain silent. I believe you and I'm in your corner...BUT PLEASE Don't say another word.
Beth will take everyword and twist them to suit herself.
A WORD TO THE MEDIA...Leave these people alone. Are you trying to get a confession and slove this case over the airways and collect the reward money for yourselves?
LEAVE THESE KIDS ALONE. STOP TALKING TO BETH TWITTY. SHE IS STIRRING UP A POISIONOUS WITCHES BREW. SHE WOULD MAKE THE PERFECT WITCH. NEXT TIME SHE IS ON THE AIR BUT A BLACK WITCH HAT AND DRESS ON HER AND SHE RIDE HER BROOM TO HOLLAND.

11:53 AM  
Anonymous BIG JUGS said...

^^^^ I think its great the beth is going back there...she is letting that island know that she WILL NOT be forgotten and that she wants some answers and that she wants justice for her daughter. Not everyone there hates her....some of the residents actually see right throught all of the lies and corruption..please, its just a bunch of narrow minded BASTARDS that agree that that pimple faced little boy and his 2 greasy side-kicks should be free....

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pimples, Pimples, Pimples bet you've got some on your ass, BIG JUGS.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous BIG JUGS said...

nope, got'em on my JUGS though..
wanna see??

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your big jugs are more than likely just pimples.

12:14 PM  
Anonymous BIG JUGS said...

not that big !!! you should really see them..up close...

12:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no, i'm a butt man

12:23 PM  
Anonymous BIG JUGS said...

then you arent any fun

12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BIG JUGS said...
then you arent any fun

12:28 PM

Not me, I'm a great fan of women with your qualities. I'm a lot of fun, too....

2:22 PM  
Anonymous BIG JUGS said...

great, im glad you are fun, now reel i tante and lets get her going...its been a SLOW day on here

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not the reeling in, the bitch aint here. Tante doesnt miss a chance to do battle against the evil forces of america. I bet that Tante is not as funny when she's sober. She's a trip, I like the ol' girl.

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldnt be surprised if tante was a man

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee was a whore and she was getting herself a fine piece of ass before she went home. Drunk people do shit like that: haved you watched MTV Spring Break before. Or Girls gone wild commercials or videos. Once they get out of their parents view they become different people. Beth needs to accept this and see Natalee for the person she was on this trip. Until that happens she will never accept anything that is said to her.

3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I wouldnt be surprised if tante was a man

2:57 PM

You are correct. But she's not a man anymore. Being that she did the operation in the early 70's, they quite hadn't perfected it yet. That explains the body hair and the nasty disposition. That's is why you should stay away from experimental medical operations. Down the road you end up a mess. That's why when she goes shopping she buys both Tampax and Trojans. It's tough. That's why I entertain the ol' girl, she has a hard life.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee was a whore and she was getting herself a fine piece of ass before she went home. Drunk people do shit like that: haved you watched MTV Spring Break before. Or Girls gone wild commercials or videos.

That is so, but we dont kill the girls after we get some, stupid.

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^^ I think tante is back

4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante may just be a woman over 45 with PMS, A bad attitude and 357 Magnum. So watch it, dude.

4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She's 52. I agree with the bad attitude, bad breath, bad manners, bad taste in clothes but if she had a .357 magnum she would have killed a shitload of people already. Nothing like a woman with tetestorone problems. Hormones are a bitch.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too funny !

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah I just read Beth is going to Holland, Joran better run and hide. Man I wish I could get some time off work so I could go with her!!
Dave is writing a book now? I thought he was all up in staying out of the public eye and solving this case and making such great strides to find his daughter. Sounds like he is just baiting everyone so they will be all goody goody with him and buy his book. At least Beth isnt being sneaky about it, she is keeping this CASE going no matter how much bad publicity she gets.

My jugs yeah they are a little small but then my man says more then a mouthfull is a waste, my butt is pretty darn cute tooo.

peace out!

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aunt Tante osked me to teel u all she out teeending the cheekans but wunts veery mooch to tuk to ya. Sheee be in sooon as she geets them reskly cheeekins bock in theer peeens. see shee leetle slow within her woooodeeen shoooos and alll. sheee also veeery big wooooman so take her leeetle whiiiile tooo do moooch of aneee thing theeese days. ohhh here pounding of shoooos cuming up poooorch noooowww beeeter gooo9o help her in.

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aunt Tante may be leetle while lunger, she feeel dowwn when the rooooster beet her in the buuut, she thought it was reeever, soo she turned round reeel qeek to geeve him kiss. too baad for the rooooster, heem not doing so goood. Tante almost beet hims heeed off. She got a leeetle sited thinking eet was reeever and alll, Reever has not beeen over to seee tante for a few days and sheeee all upset, she dont got joran mongloid nefew eeeny more cuz everyone want to keeel him so he stay aways to tect her and all, now she dooont got no reever sept when him all hard up and all. gotta feeel leetle bit sorry for her, she got them warts all over her body you know. she got them when she was wurkin for the sheell oillls company, they tole her tante you gotta where protection when you go down them oils wells, but she no leesen, she keep on going down them weels with her tube tops and shorty shorts, now she gots them warts and stuff all over her body and mens they dont like them so much. ohhh she yeeeling for me so I butter go see what she sceeching bout now. dunt warrry to much bout Tante sheee preeety tuf leeeady she be back up in nooo team.

9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

joran said to current affair that perhaps ONE DAY he will want to tell more details about that night........lies or the truth urine boy ????????????

BOYCOTT ARUBA
Let them call feed the children for help !
1 800 457 7489

12:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IS THIS THE NEW FORM OF TERRORISM? ARE AMERICANS SAFE TO TRAVEL ANYWHERE? APPARENTLY NOT, IF THREE GUYS, (WHO WILL PROBABLY BE KILLED SOON BY HIRED PROFESSIONALS), CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER. THIS IS CLEARLY AN ATTACK ON AMERICANS, BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT AS POWERFUL AS WE THINK, IF WE CAN LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN. LET ME TELL ALL OF YOU DUTCH MUTHER FUCKERS, DONT EVER FUCK WITH AMERICANS AGAIN, AND YOU IT IS IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO COME CLEAN, OR WE WILL FUCK YOU UP JUST LIKE CUBA AND IRAQ. IF YOU WANT TO START A WAR, TALK TO MY FRIEND GEORGE BUSH, WHO HATES ARUBA RIGHT NOW, BUT HAS PATIENCE. IF MATTERS DO NOT GET RESOLVED, I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOUR CONTRY WILL SUFFER. AND FOR ALL THE CORRUPT JUDGES WHO LET THESE PIECES OF SHIT GO FREE, YOUR FAMILES WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER FOR YEARS TO COME. WAIT UNTIL WE FUCK UP YOUR LIVES. ALL IT TAKES IS FOR YOU TO MESS WITH ONE AMERICAN, AND YOUR FUCKED, AND YOU DID. KEEP SMILLING YOU MUTHER FUCKERS THAT GOT FREE, AND ALL OF THE FUCKED UP DUTCH GOVERNMENT, YOU MIGHT BE LAUGHING NOW, BUT AMERICA WILL ALWAYS GET THE LAST LAUGH, I FUCKING GUARNANTEE YOU. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOUR FUCKED UP WAY OF LIVING, NOR WILL WE VISIT YOUR COUNTIES EVER AGAIN. YOU WILL SEE A FULL BLOWN OUT BOY-COTT OF ARUBA FROM HIGHSCOOL TRIPS, THEN FOLLOWED BY OTHERS. IT IS IN THE WORKING RIGHT NOW. SO GO FUCK YOUR SELF. GOD BLESS NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

12:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure God likes you swearing and plotting murders. Nice piece of work you are.

Better watch yourself or you'll be the one going to hell.

2:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12 36 pm I agree with u 150 %
BOYCOTT ARUBA !

Hit men for Joran and gang !

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GEORGE BUSH HATES BETH FOR BRINGING DISGRACE TO HIS COUNTRY. BIN LADEN HATES BETH FOR BEING A BITCH. BIN IS GONNA HIRE SOME YANKS TO TEACH BETH TO GET HER BITCH ASS BACK IN THE KITCHEN WHERE SHE BELONGS> BAKING PIES AND KNITTING SOCKS AND CLEANING.

2:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

October 01, 2005

Aruba: Van Rijn, We Are Coming For You
hay seedy, now i know that months ago there was noplan at all to find joran guilty or even crediblyinvestigate him....below is strong evidence that juliaand dilma may have been working in close coordinationwith the aruba squad. wrote:> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:00:27 -0700 (PDT)> Subject: ALERT, evidence of a well planned plot to> get Joran off, by Aruba's government.> To: ontherecord@foxnews.com, atlarge@foxnews.com> >
Dear Geraldo or Gretta:> > several months ago I emailed you a copy of an email> sent to me by a dispreputable investigative reporter>
from Aruba...she was sending out information on the> investigation and also poisoning it with slanders of> Natalee and Beth....> > in one of these e-mails she referred to Natalee's> mom> as a relative of hitler, > > and now we see Joran saying the same fucking thinng> to> the girl in the recent enquirer story....this is no> coincidence and I'm certain that he was coached to> say> this by his father and that cunt dilma...
.i've> included her email once in this message...> > I don't beleive aruba ever investigated this kid,> and> I think he got paid for Natalee.
In a usatoday> article people say your never too old to party in> Aruba....does it include his slimy father? > > Joran said he hates americans...this can be> construed> as anti-american sentiments, same as held by other> terrorists like alqaeda, and Hammas, yet Condy let> this act of terror fly, why? because it was just a> white girl.
Condy needs to rethink her approach of> this case, considering the spread of militant islam> in> south/central america. > > Natalee was a victim of terrorism on aruba. simply> that. Aruban terrorism. they couldn't hide this> crime from their statistics like all the rest.> > > in week three of the case i called oduber's office> and> got into a heated discussion with one of 2faced> oduber's aids....he told me that this is just one> girl, and how it didn't matter and how America was> evil for worrying more about this one girl than all> the innocents killed in Iraq.
Aruba is an> anti-american island. Probably co-opted by the> familes of iraqi generals who fled during the> war....> > Now Aruba will try to paint themselves the victim> even> while they let Natalee slide into the> abyss.....death> to aruba.> > --- Dilma Arends wrote:> > > Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:40:27 -0400> > From: Dilma Arends
Subject: RE: Mr Pink> > To: I think we are suddenly aware of things happening> > here. First, if there is a> > money trail, Aruba has a fairly new judicial> center> > of information on money> > transfers (MOT) working with authorities all over> > the world and I'm certain> > they have the goods on the two.
In fact, Van Rijn> > was under the view of> > authorities for some time already. The police have> > just become aware of the> > pink connection during this investigation (I> > believe). In fact, what I have> > been told is that this case has brought many> things> > forth.> >
What I am trying to convey, is that the local> police> > is not as stupid as> > they have been portrayed in the USA media. The FBI> > and Dutch Detective> > Assistance is alive and well, and are truly> working> > closely. What is clear> > though, is that are indeed things happening right> > underneath our noses.> > Sadly enough, this is the end of the innocence in> > Aruba.> > On the other hand, the one avenue we don't hear> > coming from the US, is> > possible connection with the family.
I do not> think> > the disappearance of> > Natalee was a total surprise to the Mother. In> fact,> > in her first interview> > in Aruba, (before the arrival of US media) Beth> > Twitty said she spoke with> > Natalee the Thursday she arrived here (at 4 am).> Now> > she says she never> > spoke with her daughter.
In addition, Beth knew> > exactly who to call, the> > minute she heard Natalee was not on the plane.> > Besides, we know how Natalee> > sometimes referred to her mom (from what she spoke> > in Aruba). Although I> > have to say, my brother used to call my Mom> > Napoleon. However, Bonaparte is> > still a long way from that certain German> > Chancellor. This is not to suggest> > that the Twitties arranged her disappearance, but> > this could explain that> > Natalee could have become an easy prey to these> > predators.> > > > Dilma & John Eloy Arends> > Moko 225> > Aruba Dutch Caribbean----Original Message-----> > From:> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:14 AM> >
To: Dilma Arends; arubatoday@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Mr Pink> > > > do we know someone?? who owns the monkey and is it> > confirmed?> > > > and most importantly, where is that sort of monkey> > from????> > > > columbia or thailand> > > > why hasn't this person been found yet?> > > > was there a rave-cult that used natalee as a> > sexual-sacrifice, ala rave-gang-bang porn, and> they> > then made her a human sacrifice?> > > > I think there is a lot of culture on that island> > that> > no one knows about.> > > > > > > >


# posted by seedyrum : Saturday, October 01, 2005 0 comments

Hell to Aruba, Here We Come
Twitty, on her way here last night in a limousine provided by businessman and philanthropist Joe Mammana, who has contributed $250,000 in reward money in Natalee's case, declined to name the attorney. Mammana said he would take Twitty before City Council at its weekly session tomorrow . "They want to acknowledge her. I'm going to bring her in with Councilman Jack Kelly," he said. "We've had reward posters printed in Dutch. We wanted to make sure it's out in Amsterdam and in the Hague," she said. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate. Mammana called Aruba "a Third World ghetto," where crimes against American tourists go unreported, and said he planned to help Twitty launch a nationwide boycott of the Caribbean nation. Mammana, a businessman whose investments include suburban real estate and dairy and egg farming, said he would help Twitty find lawyers to press Aruban authorities to go on with the case. "We're going to hound and harass these people forever," he said. "The Aruban government and anybody else involved with this, that we feel did not cooperate and help us. "We're not doing this for money," Mammana said. "We're doing this for revenge. Forget justice." http://www.macon.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/12759734.htm

Aruba thinks it can feed us any lies and we will be as accepting as the locals of the island without question
We need a progress report of the investigation not Aruba's words.
We can see their lips moving but they aren't saying the truth
Yes America has more crime than Aruba, but jeez we have more people. Duh!
Yes, we sometimes don't catch all the criminals in a timely fashion but it isn't for the lack of trying.
We keep the family abreast of the progres of the investigation as well as the press.
The press keep the investigators as well as our givernment as honest as possible
Of course some government officials think they are the smartest pants in the room but we have investigative reporters.
We have freedom of speech and freedom of the press
Transparency in government
Rudy Croes just doesn't get it. He wants us to believe him as he lips spounts lies. Sorry bro, you don't get a free pass.
Although since Aruba has kept the investigation a secret, look for the paperwork to be altered and changed to show the three criminals not guilty
We already know the truth and by golly we are going to prove it too ARUBA!!


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Caesar Tore A Page From Aruba's Lying Book
I think Ceaser told LE that Monica and Valerie were going to fly to Bolivia...I think that was were it was....it sounded like he was trying to make LE think that he had put them on the plane. Obviously he didn't put little Valerie on a plane and her mom wouldn't have gone without her. Ceaser told LE that he had no idea how Valerie got left on the street. Listening to Valerie I think she knew exactly how she got left on the street.Valerie said her mother could just talk a little...she didn't talk a lot...just a little cause she had a bump in her cheek. Police found out that the mother had just had two teeth removed which accounted for the bump in her cheek.LE did get a search warrent for the apt that Monica, Ceaser, and Valerie lived in. They didn't release any info today that I heard. I think that Ceaser either killed Monica before he grabbed Valerie out of bed and left her on the streetor he killed Monica before he took Valerie...dumped Valerie..and then went back and got rid of Monica's body. I can't think of any other reason he would have dumped that little girl if he hadn't harmed her mother. If her mother was still alive she wouldn't have let him do that to her daughter.Like Nancy Grace said...this little girl is very smart...has been taken good care of...knew it wasn't right that Ceaser didn't put her shoes on to take her outside...had pj's on...her mother in no way would have abandoned her. I wonder if Ceaser realized how well this little girl could talk and how smart she is?
I am so sick of whining whimpy ass men who kill rather than just wanking away from a relationship they don't want.
What was the harm to just leave the woman alive but just leave?
Its as if men getting where they hate women.
I mean its ok if they hate women, the woman hating men can have sex with each other.
Most women would rather do without sex than having a hand upside their head or around their throat.
Well I guess I can say Caesar was thoughtful of sorts. He didn't have any negative feeling towards Valerie since she was found unharmed. She wasn't too frighten as she readily spoke and gave some serious leads for the police.
On the other hand, he unceremoniously put her out on the streets with no shoes and in her pajamas. I guess he wanted the boogeyman to do what he didnt have the stomach to do, kill a child.
How many times, have the public been told a missing woman ran away or ran away with another man?
Give me a break
Almost like Caesar tore a page from Aruba's Lying book. I wonder if Caesar is from Aruba of Dutch ancestry?


# posted by seedyrum : Saturday, October 01, 2005 1 comments

Capitol Hill Dances
Microsoft CEO Bill Gates used to brag that he barely spent a dime on lobbying — “I live in the other Washington,” he liked to say. But the very moment that government — federal and state — tried to tear apart his company, Gates abandoned his view that the New Economy could ignore the Old Politics. Now D.C. is awash in Microsoft lobbyists. Wal-Mart is only now learning the same lesson. If you don’t get in the game, you might be regulated out of it."
Billy Boy got it right. Rub shoulders and grease palms to keep the wolves at bay.

No money no dance.



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The Aruba Golden P.I. M.P.S. The goverment of Aruba will do anything to protect these men so they can contiue to drug and rape American trourists.


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My name is Valerie, my mother is Monica and I have 2 daddies Caesar and Felipe. He took me without my shoes"


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Aruba Is The Reason for Continued Corruption In Natalee Holloway's Case
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks. David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign." The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body. These reports came after significant, and at times conflicting, developments with the five suspects being detained in the case. The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point. But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.
Aruba is finding out just because it hides documents and pretend no evidence exists for its citizens, that same doesn't hold true for rest of the transparent nations. Aruba doesn't seem to realize how rabid we are about crime, information, and yes honesty( or the lack there of).

Aruba is somewhat in a funk. What does it do to get this monkey off its back considering the many months of lying, denying, hiding, secreting evidence, retracting, redacting, and letting the main suspects go free? Indeed.

To tell the truth at this juncture, it must not only admit the case was bungled but say who, what, when, and how and the who of the crime. If I was the Holloway/Twitty family, I wouldn't want money to buy me off, I would want JUSTICE for the criminal who killed my daughter and those who cover it over.

Or, of course do as Aruba is doing, deny , deny, deny. However, dehying is fraught with danger. Joran and Paulus being tha alcoholics that they are, will talk and tell the world. Someone is waiting at every corner to get the scoop. Joran, being 18, can't keep his mouth shut, remember he is a drunk and an alcoholic. Also, he loves to rape.

Yes, Aruba finds itself in a delicate quandry of its own making. What will it do?



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Aruba: Thirty things that are indisputable
30 reasons of what I believe to be true 1 Nataliee left with the 3 stooges( the criminals said this as well as witnesses and MBHS) 2 Natlee was inebriated and/or under effects of drug unknown( witnesses said this) Juran had sex w/ her (he says consensual but that is a selfserving statment, Natalee isnt here to disprove it 4Juran admitted he was the last one to be with her(he said it why lie on himself unless he is taking the fall for someone he has to fear?) 5 JVS says one of them says "something bad happned and leading to the body) (why would HE lie? rember he is part of the coverup and this doesnt help with the coverup 6JVS says "how can I do this to by best friend's son?" ( again we have shown the close ties of JVS to PVDS 7there is the phone call with monkey sounds(many references on ontherecord w/ Greta and validated by Charles Croes (what is the payoff for him 8With the phone call the call is traced to the home of VDS (gps cellular towers) 9 Based on the calls and people knowing who Natalee left C7C with, the HT family goes to VDS home and comfronts JVDS.( well documented) 10 Deepak and PVDS tells JVDS dont say anything.( again well documented and seen by CCroes) 11 JVDS is sweating nervous shaking ( we know this by those who were present and Charles Croes( who doesnt have an axe to grind that we have found yet) 12 JVDS says "they" left her off at HI and saw a secuiry gaurd in black there( we know that is a lie because security cameras doesnt show her arriving nor them 13It was mentioned how did they have a lie in place so soon without knowledge of Natalee being missing as it was not mentioned in the press 14 Karin Johassen rounds up Abraham jones and mickey Johns in the early hours and cofiscate their cars and ramsacks their home based on the word of the 3 stooges ( we know that to be the truth as assorted news outlets as well as websites reported it, also the 3 admitted it was a lie) 15 the 3 stooges arent picked up until 10 days later (again well documented) 16 Karin Jassen by her own words said when asked why they werent picked up until 10 days later said "we cant go in there like cowboys"( we know that to be tru because it was well documneted and she said it on camera reference back to 14 the same didnt hold true for these 2 innocent black men. 17 the two black men had solid alibis but still detained ( we know that because they were later released) 18 The 2 black men were detained for 13 days based on the "evidence" that Karin Janssen presented to Judge Wit( we know that to be true from many websites and tv news outlets..now I ask what evidence did she present and why did the Judge Wit agree with this fabricated evidence??) 19 PVDS calls the 3 stooges and ask what is said and say no body no case ( we know this because because released Mickey johns said so on camera as interviewed by Greta.PVDS later admitted as then Karin Jasnnse admitted it on camera) 20 the 3 stooges are arrested and their stories changes several times( we know this because both mothers admit it on camera ( now why would they lie on thier offspring? 21 BHT and Greta goes to the home and meets and have talk w/ PVDS and AVDS (we know this because it is shown on camera.Beth said PVDS was sweating profusely..now what seasoned lawyer sweats so hard without something causeing it the air condition was fuctioning, no one else was sweating) 22 BHT recognizes the monkey sound while at PVDS home ( please reference number 7 above) 23 Dave Holloway goes to meet w/ JVDS for a man to man talk and runs into PVDS. the two men talk and have a protracted handshake(we know this because Dave H admitted it on many news channel and we see it for ourselves) 24 Dave Holloway says PVDS is sweating and tears streams down his face and says I will do whatever to protect my son( we know this because we see the film footage and Dave H is on tv recounting the visit. 25 Dave H wants to meet with JVDS but PVDS says no when the investigation is over ( we know this because we see them talking and Dave H gets on camera and says so. of course Dave has something to gain by this ...his daughter PVDS has something to lose his fredom as well as his son. 26 We know Natalee is still missing ( have you seen her since 30 May) 27 If Juran is so innocent the body will tell the story...so why dont he want it produced to clear his name??? we know this because of the lies and delays on Aruba Police. 28 We know there is a coverup because of 1 refer to #14 2 slow pace of the investigation 3 phony leads 4 anemic investigation or eve dead investigation 29 We know Aruba has more crime than they want to admit( we know this because of all the girth of websites found of drugs, sex havens, money laundering 30 WE know Aruba doesnt want this case solved by 1-29 above or it would have been solved( we know this because a blind man can see the curruption a mile away was arrested June 23, but released three days later. Aruba’s chief prosecutor Karin Janssen said the elder Van der Sloot and his wife Anita had interfered in the case by asking one of their son’s friends what he had told authorities when they questioned him. Janssen said Van der Sloot had also spoken about the case with his son and the two other suspects "some days after" Holloway’s disappearance. "They were speaking about the situation that if you don’t have a body, there is no case," Janssen said. When investigators – who learned about the conversation during their questioning of one of the Kalpoes – asked Paul van der Sloot about the remarks, the father told them he had been speaking about such a situation generally, according to Janssen. The Kalpoes’ mother has said one of her sons admitted lying to protect Van der Sloot and said he and his brother had taken the Dutch youth and Holloway to a beach and dropped them off. Anita van der Sloot also has said her son changed his story and admitted being alone with Holloway on the beach, saying he then left her because she wanted to stay there. Also, the boat the "Octopus" went missing around the time that Natalee disappeared and hasn't been seen since. It was a snorkeling/diving tourist boat. The website has been taken down, perhaps by the FBI???
(these are the 30 things based on first accounting given by all players. Since that time, new details have been released)


# posted by seedyrum : Saturday, October 01, 2005 0 comments

Valerie Lozada

Nearly a week after a 4-year-old girl was found wandering barefoot on the streets of Queens, her mother was identified and declared missing. The unclaimed girl, Valerie Lozada, remained in foster care this week while authorities tried to piece together clues she gave them about her background. Using records from a daycare center in Queens, police identified her mother as 26-year-old Monica Rivadinerra Lozada. The records also named the missing woman’s boyfriend, who was being questioned by police. The mother was last seen Sunday at her apartment in Forest Hills, Queens, police said. She was described as 5-foot-6, 105 pounds, with long blonde hair and a tattoo of a bluebird on her stomach. Valerie was found about 1 a.m. Sunday walking along 76th Street in Middle Village, Queens. Although alone and shoeless, she showed no outward signs of neglect or abuse, authorities said. The little girl, who speaks English and Spanish, told authorities that her mother’s name was Monica. She said that she had two fathers, and that one of them woke her up late one night, drove her somewhere and dropped her off alone. When asked about her mother, Valerie said she works at a restaurant and "she looks like a princess."


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Judith Miller Timeline

Having read a Defense Intelligence Agency report suggesting that Niger had agreed to sell yellowcake uranium to Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney asks for the C.I.A.'s analysis. In response to Mr. Cheney's query - and to questions from State and Defense Departments - the C.I.A. convenes a meeting of experts, including Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former ambassador to Gabon. Mr. Wilson's wife, a C.I.A. operative, introduces him at the meeting before stepping out.
FEBRUARY 2002 Mr. Wilson travels to Niger.
MARCH 5, 2002 Mr. Wilson is interviewed about his trip. He later tells Senate Intelligence Committee investigators that there is nothing to the story of the uranium sales.
JANUARY 28, 2003 President Bush, in the State of the Union speech, declares: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
JUNE 10, 2003 A State Department memorandum, dated June 10, refers to Valerie Wilson as Mr. Wilson's wife. The memorandum explains how Mr. Wilson came to be dispatched on the mission to Niger and his wife's role.
JULY 6, 2003 An Op-Ed article by Mr. Wilson in The New York Times, "What I Didn't Find in Africa," casts doubt on the uranium reference and claims that the administration "twisted" the intelligence on Iraq.
WEEK OF JULY 6, 2003 Stephen J. Hadley, deputy national security adviser, communicates with George J. Tenet, director of central intelligence, discussing how to handle questions about the State of the Union uranium claim. The same week, Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, and I. Lewis Libby, Mr. Cheney's chief of staff, discuss what Mr. Tenet should say about the uranium claim.
JULY 6, 2003 State Department officials send a copy of the State Department memorandum to the White House for transmission to Colin L. Powell, secretary of state, who is preparing to leave for Africa with Mr. Bush.
JULY 7, 2003 Ari Fleischer, White House spokesman, addresses the Op-Ed article, saying, "there is zero, nada, nothing new here." He goes on to say that Mr. Cheney's office didn't request the mission to Niger, nor had they been informed of it. Mr. Fleischer also acknowledges that the uranium reference was incorrect.
JULY 7, 2003 The president, Mr. Powell and Mr. Fleischer depart for Africa. The State Department memorandum on the Wilson matter is faxed in-flight to Mr. Powell.
JULY 7, 2003Phone logs belonging to Mr. Fleischer indicate that he received a call from Robert D. Novak, the syndicated columnist.
JULY 8, 2003 Ms. Miller, meets with Mr. Libby, and she speaks with him on the telephone later in the week. According to someone who has been briefed on the matter, Ms. Miller asks Mr. Libby whether he knows Mr. Wilson. Mr. Libby says that he does not but that he has heard from the C.I.A. that the former ambassador's wife might have had a role in arranging his trip to Africa.
JULY 9, 2003 Mr. Rove talks with Mr. Novak. According to a person briefed on the case, Mr. Rove said the columnist informed him that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the C.I.A. and had a role in arranging the trip to Niger.
JULY 11, 2003 Mr. Tenet accepts responsibility for letting the president make the uranium reference, which turned out to be unsubstantiated.
JULY 11, 2003 Mr. Rove discusses the Wilsons with Matthew Cooper, a journalist for Time magazine. Mr. Cooper would later say that Mr. Rove alluded to Mr. Wilson's wife as a C.I.A. employee, though, in Mr. Cooper's account, Mr. Rove did not use her name or mention her status as a covert agent.
JULY 12, 2003 Mr. Cooper speaks with Mr. Libby, who confirms Ms. Wilson's involvement in her husband's mission to Niger, but Mr. Libby does not refer to her name or her covert status.
JULY 14, 2003 A column by Mr. Novak reveals that Mr. Wilson's wife, referred to as Valerie Plame, works for the C.I.A. as "an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction," citing "two senior administration officials."
JULY 15, 2003 Scott McClellan replaces Mr. Fleischer as White House press secretary.
JULY 17, 2003 Mr. Cooper and other Time reporters publish an article, questioning the administration's motives for disclosing Ms. Wilson's (Ms. Plame's) identity and saying that the magazine had received similar information.
SEPTEMBER 29, 2003 Mr. McClellan says it is "simply not true" that Mr. Rove is involved in the leak and that any official who leaked classified information "would no longer be in this administration."
SEPTEMBER 30, 2003 Mr. Bush says: "And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of."
DECEMBER 2003 The Justice Department brings in special counsel, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, to investigate whether officials illegally leaked the identity of a C.I.A. officer.
MAY 21, 2004 Mr. Cooper of Time magazine is subpoenaed by a federal grand jury to testify about his sources in the matter.
AUGUST 9, 2004 Judge Thomas F. Hogan, of United States District Court in Washington holds Mr. Cooper in contempt of court and orders him jailed for refusing to name his sources.
AUGUST 12, 2004 Ms. Miller is subpoenaed by the grand jury.
AUG. 23, 2004 After negotiating an agreement with the special counsel, Mr. Cooper testifies about his conversations with Mr. Libby. He says that Mr. Libby had authorized him to testify.
SEPTEMBER 9, 2004 Judge Hogan orders Ms. Miller to testify about her sources before the grand jury.
SEPTEMBER 14, 2004 Mr. Cooper receives a second subpoena for information about other White House officials.
OCTOBER 7, 2004 Judge Hogan holds Ms. Miller in contempt of court for refusing to name her sources. He orders her jailed, though the sanction is suspended until an appeal concludes.
OCTOBER 15, 2004 Mr. Rove testifies before the grand jury.
FEBRUARY 15, 2005 A federal appeals court rules that Mr. Cooper and Ms. Miller should be jailed for contempt after refusing to disclose their sources. The case is appealed.
JUNE 27, 2005 The United States Supreme Court declines to hear the cases of two reporters. The case returns to Federal District Court where Judge Hogan hears arguments about jail time.
JUNE 30, 2005 Time magazine says it will provide documents concerning Matthew Cooper's confidential sources.
JULY 5, 2005 The special counsel, Mr. Fitzgerald, files papers calling for Ms. Miller and Mr. Cooper to be jailed. Even though Time magazine provided Mr. Cooper's notes, Mr. Fitzgerald says Mr. Cooper's testimony remains necessary.
JULY 6, 2005 Ms. Miller is sent to jail. Mr. Cooper announces a last-minute deal with a confidential source that allows him to testify.
JULY 13, 2005 Mr. Bush says he has instructed his staff to fully cooperate in the investigation. He also says he "will not prejudge the investigation based on media reports."
JULY 18, 2005 Mr. Bush says, "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."
SEPT. 29, 2005 Ms. Miller is released from jail after she agrees to testify before the grand jury. She makes her decision after obtaining a waiver from her source.
TODAY Ms. Miller testifies.
Ihave to wonder why Judith Miller interjected herself in this case since she didn't piblish any article pertaining to the matter. Robert Novak and Matt Cooper did that and these two long ago testified. It is all about moeny and book deals.


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Ben, Where is Taylor?


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Napa Double Slaying


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Eric Copple, cold and diabolical suspect in Napa Valley Double Slaying


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Napa Double Homicide
A 26-year-old man was arrested on murder charges in the stabbing deaths of a former beauty queen and her roommate last year, police said. Eric Matthew Copple was linked to the crimes using DNA-related evidence, said Jeff Troendly, commander of the Napa Police Department's investigations bureau. Leslie Ann Mazzara, 26, a former Miss South Carolina contestant who worked for the Niebaum-Coppola Winery, and Adriane Insogna, a civil engineer for the county sanitation district, were fatally stabbed early Nov. 1 in a bedroom of the house they rented in this wine country town. A third roommate heard the struggle and called police before running to safety.
Police said last week that DNA evidence suggested the killer was a white man who smoked Camel Turkish Gold cigarettes. Authorities did not release a possible motive. Public records show that Copple lived with one of Insogna's co-workers and friends, Lily Prudhomme, at the time of the slayings and married her three months later. Copple was arrested Wednesday and was being held without bail.
Crazy and diabolical
What person kills and then goes to the funeral
Hugging the family members as if nothing happened and not involved.


# posted by seedyrum : Saturday, October 01, 2005 0 comments

Joran's M.O.
The National Enquirer article does seem to contradict the account that Joran Van der Sloot gave to “A Current Affair”. The information from the Enquirer comes from 28 year old Kristina Pedersen, who got to know him on the Arnhem Business School campus.

Over several days, he drank heavily, encouraged Kristina to watch hard core porn and tried to force himself on her. And it quickly became apparent that even now Joran cannot keep his story straight — his account was peppered with the lies that have marked his From Page 34 part in the investigation since Natalee disappeared on May 30.
Kristina said: “One day we shared a jug of beer. Joran looked me in the eye and said, ‘Here’s to finding Natalee’. “Half an hour later he was trying to kiss me and lure me to a deserted area of a park. Then he suddenly asked me, ‘Do you want me to bite you?’”

The Enquirer then alleges that the following was said by Joran Van der Sloot. Some of the accounts sound very different from what has been previous told by Joran.

“He said that she approached him in Carlos ‘N’ Charlie’s bar and bought a couple of rounds’, ” Kristina said. Joran revealed that Natalee lay on the bar and invited him to lick a “jelly shot” — vodka frozen in jelly — from her navel. “He said Natalee then asked him, ‘Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay’,” Kristina added. Then as many have speculated and even commented on last night by Natalee’s father Dave Holloway during an interview with Greta Van Susteren:
But you know, you stop and think. A group of guys, they get to the bar 30 minutes before it closes, they’re not ready to stop partying. So you know, when they leave, do they really go to the beach or do they really go to the lighthouse?
The National Enquirer claims Joran Van der Sloot stated the following admission: In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home — not to the beach. Kristina said: “They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.
“They decided to go for a walk on the beach, and the Kalpoes left. He told me, ‘Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk. We had sex on the beach’.”


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Aruba: Who Fixed the Last Alcoholic Drink Natalee Had?
Who sold him the shots at CnCs? There must be a law for serving underage drinkers.Posted by: Eyedoc Sep 30, 2005 9:21:44 PM-------------How would prosecuting someone for serving the drinks find Natalee? Posted by: PerryPeabody Sep 30, 2005 9:25:41 PM Because if we know the events leading up to Natalee's leaving with the 3 criminals, we can determine her state of consciousness.
As in what bartender fixed the drink?
Was there a relationship between Joran and this bartender?
Did this bartender always fix drinks for Joran?
Did the bartender add a drug to the drink served Natalee or did Joran?
Where did the alleged drug come?
We know the P.I.M.P.S. drug and rape so is this a running practice of all the casinoes or just C&C?
If we know that the drug was in her drink then we may know why Natalee left C&C


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Aruba: Boycott is Needed
I am asking all Americans to write to everyone...the President, their reps in congress, all the media outlets for Natalee Holloway's justice! If you have followed the case or not, it is imperative that we get our voices out there! The Aruban LE has done nothing but sit on this case. The Aruban prosecuter, Karin Jannesen, has told the Natalee Holloway family: that if they don't calm down she will stop searching for Natalee Holloway! CALM DOWN? Their daughter has been missing for over 4 months now. It has been said by the Prime Minister in Aruba and the FBI that there was blood in the car of Deepak Kalpoe....and Karin, the prosecuter has said that it was car cleaning fluid. No car cleaning fluid I have seen looks like blood. It is obvious that Aruba does not care about American native, Natalee Holloway! We, the United States of America, need to step up and give Natalee the justice she deserves! Please take a moment and send this letter to everyone you can think of. I have posted email addresses and addresses to email and mail letters to. I have also posted a copy of the letter I have sent. Thank You for you time and support!!!!!!!!


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Joran, Another Lie: Jello Shots
I lean slightly toward thinking the jello shot story is true- and if so, irrelevant- but it's not irrelevant if it's another Joran lie, and there are several reasons to suspect that it is. Among them: Altho Deepak's e-mail mentions Nat asking Joran to dance with her on the stage, it doesn't mention this alleged jello shot incident, something that Joran would surely have told him about even if he didn't see it. And I know that a friend of Nat who was with her at CnC that nite never saw Nat doing jello shots with anyone, and never even heard about it until Satish's lawyer mentioned it. Posted by: Jon Sep 30, 2005 7:05:10 PM


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Taylor Marie Behl: The Shateboarding Threesome
PETERSON: Well, I can tell you that when Taylor Behl`s car was found on September 17, the police initially sat on it and put it under surveillance for about 12 hours. After they decided to seize the car, they had a bloodhound track scent from that car to a house in the neighborhood.And just to back up, the car was found about a mile-and-a-half from the VCU campus, and it had stolen Ohio plates on it. When they interviewed the couple who lived at the house that the dog tracked to, they asked the people there if there was anyone else that had access to that house.
And they identified their nephew, a gentleman named Jessie Schultz (ph). Jessie Schultz lived down the block, and the police interviewed him. And he apparently had taken a lie-detector test and he was told by them that he failed two key aspects of that lie-detector test.
GRACE: Which were?PETERSON: Which were, one, whether he knew Taylor Behl, and two, whether he had been in her car. The other interesting aspect of that is that when we first learned that Taylor had gone missing, it was our understanding that she was going out that night to go skateboarding with three people.
Those three people were Jessie Schultz, a guy named Kevin (ph) and a guy named Ian (ph). So there`s certainly a link there, and it seems too big a coincidence.
GRACE: Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. George, did they actually go skateboarding with her? Did they actually meet up?PETERSON: We have no idea, at this point.GRACE: Well, they polygraphed the guy, and they didn`t ask him, Did you good skateboarding?PETERSON: I don`t know whether they actually asked him that.
The questions I know that he purportedly failed was whether he knew her and whether he`d been in her car.GRACE: Now, you know, Michael Cardoza, when a polygraph is taken, a state polygraph, of course, you do a couple of test questions, four, five - - What`s your name? What`s your DOB? What`s your address? -- so you can establish the body rhythms to a truthful answer.
But I imagine if what he failed was, Do you know her, were you in her car, Michael, you know they had to ask this guy, Did you go skateboarding with her that night? When was the last time you saw her? Those serious questions, if he passed those, then he passed!
The case becomes more weird as the days pass and Taylor remain missing. From the looks of the case seem like the movie, Murder by Numbers.

Where was the car before Jessie moved it and why was Jessie driving it?

Consider this, if the three had nothing whatsoever to do with Taylor's disappearance, why didn't they step forward as sson as Taylor was known to be missing?



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Aruba's Attitude
Rudy Croes: ‘Twitty’s attitude is incredible’ ARUBA – According to Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP), there is not much that can be done against Twitty’s attitude. He says that declaring her as persona non grata is no option. The American media would blow that up and it can fire back at us. She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that. Many Aruban people are very angry with Twitty and are afraid that her constant appeals against Aruba would have a negative effect on the tourism. Even though this does not reflect in the figures, the government does keep a finger on the pulse. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future. The Dutch government was asked to diplomatically support Aruba in this matter. Posted by: frank Sep 30, 2005 6:17:54 PM


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Friday, September 30, 2005
Little Girl Walking the Steets of New York
graf 4 to CORRECT day woman was last seen to Saturday, sted Sunday AP Photos NYR1101-111 NEW YORK (AP) _ Nearly a week after a 4-year-old girl was found wandering barefoot on the streets of Queens, her mother was identified and declared missing.
The unclaimed girl, Valerie Lozada, remained in foster care this week while authorities tried to piece together clues she gave them about her background. Using records from a daycare center in Queens, police identified her mother as 26-year-old Monica Rivadinerra Lozada. Investigators were questioning the missing woman's boyfriend late Friday.
They also were seeking a search warrant for an apartment the couple shared in Forest Hills, Queens. The mother was last seen at the home on Saturday, police said. She was described as 5-foot-6, 105 pounds, with long blonde hair and a tattoo of a bluebird on her stomach. Valerie was found about 1 a.m. Sunday walking along 76th Street in Middle Village, Queens. Although alone and shoeless, she showed no outward signs of neglect or abuse, authorities said.
The little girl, who speaks English and Spanish, told authorities that her mother's name was Monica. She said that she had two fathers, and that one of them woke her up late one night, drove her somewhere and dropped her off alone. When asked about her mother, Valerie said she works at a restaurant and "she looks like a princess."


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Taylor Marie Behl: JailBait Spelled Backwards
tiabliaj (tiabliaj) wrote, @ 2005-04-08 06:57:00 If you read this, Even if I don't speak to you often, You must post a memory of me. It can be anything you want, good or bad, Just so long as it happened. Then post this to your journal. See what people remember about you. stolen from ben, who stole from cinnbo, who stole from... skulz67 2005-04-08 04:07 (link) ...This very attractive girl climbed up into my bunk @ 407, the last girl to do so before the move....... tiabliaj 2005-04-08 20:13 (link) well I was curious skulz67 2005-04-11 00:22 (link) ...so was I...fact I still am.... :-p Skulz (Anonymous) 2005-09-20 19:07 (link) Did you do her in the butt? Anonymous) 2005-09-21 10:28 (link) Nasty fucker!. Your daughters should be ashamed to have a father like you. Skulz aka SCUM (Anonymous) 2005-09-23 10:12 (link) I totally agree. I hope his daughters know everything about him. Maybe he will be paid back and someone will take nasty photos of them. Spread all their secrets on the internet for everyone to see. If this was my daughter, I would come after you, you dirty bastard. hcjordan 2005-04-08 05:43 (link) Hanging out on your front steps that one night after (Viva Vienna?) with you, Nick Jones, and that red-headed girl . . . Laura, was it? I remember feeling kinda goofy and turned on for no particular reason. tiabliaj 2005-04-08 06:13 (link) ha ha ha ha... well nick is a very attractive boy... hcjordan 2005-04-08 22:48 (link) He's not bad, I suppose. Physically, not really my ideal of attraction. Beyond being of the penised persuasion, even. rocknrollbitch 2005-04-08 08:30 (link) sitting next to you on the field trip bus cause the girl next to me smelled bad tiabliaj 2005-04-08 20:17 (link) ha ha ha i_smoke_tampons 2005-04-08 12:31 (link) waking up and having your fingers in me :) tiabliaj 2005-04-08 20:15 (link) well, i tried to be a lesbian... i_smoke_tampons 2005-04-09 14:56 (link) I could tell :) tiabliaj 2005-04-08 20:16 (link) sweet 16 and i had soooo much fun with you guys madridsoup 2005-04-08 17:46 (link) not going to your bday party even though invited and feeling bad about it for a very long time tiabliaj 2005-04-08 20:17 (link) it's ok. hardly anyone came.


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments

Aruba: Here Comes the Wrath of Judgement
ORANJESTAD (AAN): And program I gave to Rita Cosby Live cu to passes Diaranzon anochivia MSNBC, to thirteen dilanti with algun powerful lawyer hunto cu a Filantropo Igave Philadelpia, ta bay yuda pa start a National Campaign na Purchase pa boycot againstAruba. And breast I gave Natalee Holloway, this Beth Twitty, tabata Diaranzon na Philadelphia pa runs into cu a well-knownfilantropo I gave and city, this Joe Mammana. Tambe the a runs into cu a lawyer, pasobra ningun nan not to kier laga stone atras cu not to worde bira. Famia I gave Natalee I gave and forms aki, to kier looks for tur another form cu nan by tuma pa asina looks fornan yiu to muher. Awor cu I help I gave a powerful lawyer, start and process nan bay.
Bring Hell on Beth and Joe


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments

Taylor Marie Behl
There is something I have been wondering about regarding Taylor Behl when she left her dorm room the last time. It is reported that she took her car keys, student ID, credit card and a small amount of cash with her. I find it odd that she didn't take her driver's license. Perhaps she was planning to let someone else drive her car. I have not heard this discussed anywhere and I wonder.


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments


In Natalee, we believe. We are still after the truth nothing but the truth.


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Learn for whom and why O.J. may have been willing to stand trial in the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman?as you walk step by step beside Bill Dear on this compelling journey. Jason Simpson did the murders?


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments

Aruba: Rudy Croes
According to minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of justice is do there not muchto acting Beth Twitty, the mother of on 30 May disappeared Natalee Holloway.
Its declare undesirable alien is according to him no option, because the American press that would blow up enormously. The measure as a result, could an opposite impact. Also the previous days have been weerzien Twitty in all kinds ofprogrammes, where she did a recall to Americans avoid Aruba as a holidaydestination.
Minister Croes finds its attitude incomprehensible: We have done everything find what humanly possible is its for the.Of course he that the teenager comes still ever tevoorschijn, hopes but he indicates that do not calumniate to this end in any case willcontribute.
Many arubanen are very angry on Twitty and frightened that hercontinuing recalls a negative impact against Aruba on tourism. Although that not yet becomes clear from the figures, by the government the finger to the pulse is, however, kept.
Croes are now not yet of plan take measures against Twitty, but does not exclude that in the future possibilities are, however,found to string her the mouth. Meanwhile the Dutch government has been asked at diplomatic levelassist Aruba in this question.


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments

Aruba's Corrupt Judges
The Aruban judge-on-the-beach was Noordhuizen
The judge that extended jorans detention with 60 days was Bob Smit.
The judge that let Joran out of jail was Rick Smit.
The judges can be from Curacao, Aruba, or Netherlands Antilles, many are still corrupt.


# posted by seedyrum : Friday, September 30, 2005 0 comments

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10:16 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

OK.

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see someone is writing a book about nothing.

I cant believe that people are using the national enquirer as a reliable source. No wonder people think us americans are stupid sheep and will believe anything.

2:08 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Believing in the NE? Here we compare them with the "ramptoeristen", freely translated as "diaster tourist"; enjoying themselves when they see others in teir misoury (excuse me the mistakes).

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1:32 PM  
Blogger river_52 said...

And?

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I`m on Jorans SIDE ALL THE WAY!!! Go joran!!

2:34 PM  

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