Friday, December 30, 2005

Advice Of 2005: No Body, No Case
Paul van der Sloot, a judge in training in Aruba, gave his 17-year-old son Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers legal advice the day after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared (AP) No truer words have ever been spoken.



Most people have convicted Joran in this case. Is he guilty? We really won't know until, if they charge, number one and if they put the evidence on and it shows beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the same burden that we have here in the states. " - Defense Attorney Michael Cardoza



"I don’t think lying is a crime. Lying is probably not ethical, but it is not a crime. If you interfere with a police investigation it is still not a crime.....



"...I did not talk to the interrogators, I just sat there and looked at them
and they basically just kept asking me questions." - Joran Van Der Sloot




Sprinting From Hard Questions...



"oh, hello! There is the judge right there, at least his back end, as he is running - hello, marathon runner - sprinting away from hard questions. Why are you running? I`d like to ask him that myself " - Nancy Grace



"Either she's an excellent actress or she's in complete and total denial. And I might go with total denial because here is a 17-year-old male that is at Carlos n' Charlie's buying alcoholic drinks for their patrons. And here is a young 17-year-old male who's seated at a Texas hold'em table that I see on video footage myself. And here's a 17-year-old male seated at a poker table with his father in a tournament. I mean, you know -- and he's out until 3:00 a.m.? How many night as week can a 17-year-old male be out running the streets at 3:00 a.m. and the father say that he sneaked out." - Beth Holloway Twitty



"Nancy's remarks really hurt the people of Aruba. And you have to understand, we are a small community. All the resources that we have, have been allocated into this case, and then to be badgered like this, it just hurts people here." - Arlene Ellis-Schipper

24 Comments:

Anonymous Noelle said...

Awww, ik ben stapel of jou! :D Niet druk maken, gelukkig nieuw jaar!

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee died at Jorans house. Joran panicked
and called on dad to help. He lied to him
about how it happened but he being the dad
of course believed him. I do not think Joran
intentially killed her though.
I think he was trying to have sex with Natalee
while she was drifing in and out of being
drunk or drugged and when she realized what
was going on she tried to defend herself
and she was making to much noise and he covered
her head with a pillow so dad would not hear
what was going on in his space/room whatever
and would not wake him and she accidentially
smothered to death. Thats what the hell I think !
Dad helped get rid of the body. I do not know
if Deepak & Satish were there ot not. I never
quite figured out how they were involved other
than taking him & her to his house. I feel this
strongly. What they did with her body. I have no
clue. Anyones guess is as good as anothers.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deepak cannot sue for a very simple reason. A lawsuit pertaining to the alleged manipulated tapes would have to be filed in a United States Federal Court. In a civil court there is no 5th Amendment protections (no right to remain silent) they would be required to testify against themselves. If they tell the truth they would be in a lot more trouble and if they lied they would face charges of perjury.

It was not an issue of money, because they would just need the filing fee. The attorney would work on a contingency bases meaning he would get a portion of the settlement or judgement.

They just cannot swear to tell the truth. They cannot remain silent.

9:01 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....Natalee died at Jorans house. Joran panicked
and called on dad to help. He lied to him
about how it happened but he being the dad
of course believed him. I do not think Joran
intentially killed her though.
I think he was trying to have sex with Natalee
while she was drifing in and out of being
drunk or drugged and when she realized what
was going on she tried to defend herself
and she was making to much noise and he covered
her head with a pillow so dad would not hear
what was going on in his space/room whatever
and would not wake him and she accidentially
smothered to death. Thats what the hell I think !
Dad helped get rid of the body. I do not know
if Deepak & Satish were there ot not. I never
quite figured out how they were involved other
than taking him & her to his house. I feel this
strongly. What they did with her body. I have no
clue. Anyones guess is as good as anothers...."

Is there nothing usefull you can do? Otherwise go play hide and seek with some kids.

12:52 PM  
Blogger dennisintn said...

evidently anita hasn't seen the internet photos of jvds passed out in several positions, since she thinks he doesn't drink or drug.
or she's another of those who know everything but just lie about it.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the proof that he left on the 30th? School's starting on January 9th.

3:36 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

And, sowhat that the school starts on january the 9th? He left at the 30th, I know. Is it nessecary to stay for a month or so on hollidays?? DOnt you ever have a short leave?

2:27 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Ya, if you have nothing further to add than continuing to condem Joran for every little movement he makes - then go find some real criminals to hunt down - there has been no evidence to suggest at all that Joran did anything!!

4:27 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Seems to me there are indeed bigger criminals, the thought of 9-11 crossed my mind.

10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee died at the VDS house, but not in Joran's room. She died in the pool shed out back of the house where PVDS put her after Joran beat her up while trying to have sex with her against her will.
Nalalee went of with Joran willingly but did not want to have sex after Joran got started. This happened not in the presense of Deepak or Satish. The brothers had left Joran on the beach with Natalee after Natalee escaped from the car and ran. Joran went after her. It was not the beach near the Marriot, but one on the southern end of the island where they went to look at the stars that can only be seen from the southern hemisphere, most significantly The Southern Cross.
Joran called his dad when he realized he'd hurt Natalee. They took her back to the VDS house. Paulus sent Joran to bed and he put her in the pool shed until he figured out how to save his son from this mess. She died there of her injuries, most significantly the one to her head. She choked to death on vomit from her head injury the next day because she had tape on her mouth and was tied up.

PVDS hid the body in a grave under that dog of Joran's that Joran killed a few days before. There are lots of bodies buried under dogs on that island, bodies from deaths that occured at Rave parties from drug reactions.

9:20 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Reading your post!!! You were there???

3:24 AM  
Anonymous Proud American said...

river_52,
I love to read the blogs but do not ever post. I wonder if anyone has thought of this senerio. It makes a whole lot of sense that Natalee was killed on the VanDer Sloot's property for several reasons. Paulas refused to let them search the property, and remember the abandoned well?? It might have been a perfect place to dump her body. I wondered why when the helicopter with the sensing equipment aboard was flying over the drained pond for hours, that it didn't fly over the VanDer Sloot's property and the well.

4:05 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Simply, because she isn't burried there!

7:41 AM  
Anonymous EF said...

They are ALL guitly of harm to Natalee and WE ALL have to come together and SUPPORT the Holloway-Twitty families in searching for Natalee. I think a good question is - WHY are we NOT allowed to search your property Paul? I think evidence is/was definitly there. You covered this up - but we wont go away - EVER
GO BACK & SEARCH THE VAN DER SLOOT PROPERTY

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paulis not only killed Jorans future the day he started lying but he has killed the futures of all children yet to be born into his family every child with his last name will be thought of as a possiable killer.Born from a family of killers. What a shame .

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dont believe paul van der sloot
ever killed natalee his involvement
is either help burying the body or protecting his son. he probably just knew what they did because joran maybe told his dad he was involve in a murder what should i do. so his father gives the three boys ideas to where to dump the body or bury the body.

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anita you should be embararssed of the monster that not only you had, but the monster you married!!

1:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK HIM, SHOOT HIM.

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think they should kill him, fucking smoke him, smoke the motherfucking dick sucker of a father, smoke the fucking Kalpoes, let us get this fucking shit over with ladies. The Vandersloots are murderers. There is no justice in all of Aruba! Fuck him, smoke him, kill the little fucker, and the day will be done. End of transaction.

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, if Nataly died in Aruba, big chances are that the body could have been found. But if she died on the water, chances to find the body are small, if not existent.

ten people. When I look at the pictures I see party, boats, dilated pupils, sex slave, palm island, and corrupted parents who try to protect their own identity, their country, and their MILLIONS that punks may owe them.

As I look over Nathaly's picture, I feel cold, happy, but disspointed that other people (indirectly) abducted me, drugged me, raped me, and then sold me to Surinamese/Colombian sex slave investors.

Yes she is Dead. Two guys raped her, they were around their early early 20s, one guy drugged her at a well-known bar, and one had the idea to make MONEY FOR BET by selling her body to Sexslave/coke dealers between Aruba and Venezuela, but unfortunately, she did not make it. She sophocated and was thrown over board.

An older guy was crucial in saving these three guys ass. 7People are involved in this case. Dutch2, Dutch Guyana2, Colombian2, and Aruban1.

As I develop my psychic abilities, I will one day make a deeper connection with Nately and I will be able to link these mother fuckers DIRECTLY to the crime scene. You can run, but you can't hide, ATOMS works in mysterious ways.

10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This arrogant little bastard makes me sick to my stomach. Obviously, he has enjoyed a very priviledged existence. That's some life he has down there in Aruba - chicks, beer, money, friends - we should all have it so good. I dont think anybody intended for Natalie to die that evening, I dont think that an intentional murder took place. But since he refuses to be honest, all we can do is speculate. So, what happened is like this - he and his spoiled buddies, decided that they wanted to get laid. Only they didnt want to do the work, and engage in the art of seduction, because with that route - there are no guarantees. I mean, Satish and his brother arent the best looking dudes, and there's a good chance they would have ended up at home, using their hands to ascertain the pleasure. So, Mr. Van Der Sloot tells them he has another route, where the odds are much better - just so long as they didnt mind having sex with a girl who isnt aware of it. It seems that for some guys, that's just fine. Myself ? I tend to like it when the girl is concious, and participates in the activity willingly - but to each his own, I guess. And so it goes, that Joran suggests the ole' slip-her-a-mickey route, and the brothers are cool with it. Things are okay, and they all get their little weenies wet. But then they noticed that Natalie wouldnt wake up - she died from an overdose, or at least that's what they assumed. There was probably a very good chance that she may have been alive, and could have been saved had she been brought to a hospital. But they couldnt take that chance, because they'd have gotten nailed for rape had they done that. And so basically they made a calculated decision to let her die, rather than face up for the rape. Joran calls his attorney father, who tells them the words that Satish repeated to the police during the investigation, "No Body, No Case". With that, they disposed of Natalie's body. These arrogant, unremorseful, little bastards - killed the poor girl. I hope they all rot in hell. Can you imagine the anguish Natalie's family must endure ? Can you imagine it ? I can't, I can try, but until you have actually experienced it - I dont think that anybody can comprehend it. I hate all 3 of them, I hate their faces, I hate that they breathe.

8:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nathalee got fucked in fishermans hut
thats at the back of marriot.
i think Joran didnt kill her but she died of the alcohol and all the drugs. she had overdoses and then they fucked, she didnt get raped. shes just stupid. so are her friends. stupid american people. stop boycuttin aruba! ga maar lekker bush pijpen

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your'e a sick excuse for a human being. Natalie was drugged against her will by these spoiled little cowards, and subsequently raped and allowed to die in an effort to protect their spoiled little asses from being arrested for rape, and poisoning. I'd love to get 5 minutes alone with each one of them, so that I could beat the living piss out of them one at a time. Then, Id have one of our "stupid American" hosts from Riker's Island, step in to deliver eye-for-an-eye justice.

4:49 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

This has been bugging me all this time when I heard there was a well on the property, I thought that's probably where she could be. How could they NOT let them search their property? That's an obstruction of justice!

12:23 AM  

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