Friday, January 20, 2006

Cohen: Suspects had sex with Holloway
The spokesperson of the Strategic Communications Task Force, Steve Cohen, said that two of the Holloway-suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway, something that the authorities have not confirmed up till now. On the Task Force website, Aruba Truth, is an article on Cohen’s speech at a conference of the Caribbean Hotel Association (CHA) in Puerto Rico, in which he said that two of the boys had consensual sex with Holloway. Statements have since been clarified (Aruba Truth)

45 Comments:

Anonymous river_52 said...

Ah, the sex talks starts again? Pitty you Americans haven't been able the show tonight: The 10 most discussed persons of 2005! And guess who's on the 4th place? Yes, you're right! Our Joran and Natalee. But I have to disapoint you, nothing new! Even our most recommended lawyer Bram Moscovitz has spoken about Joran as "just a teenager". Like most of us think. So the whole show can start again.

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rape is not a crime with the Dutch. Its 'just a teenager' thing. Aruba‘s deputy chief of police said he believes that the boys are guilty as hell and that he just has to prove that information. Clock is ticking. With God & the prayers of millions on our side, Justice will be served. Need i say more River_52?

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the girl is raping Joran on the floor, and so is not a crime in Dutch. People could believe that. And also Joran is spreading his legs so wide that he is asking for it, and so Joran is very promiscuous chick.

4:07 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

My last comment on this pic. Boy and girl, in their teens, flirting? A crime? Sensation photography, as you know, with the right software you can manupilate any pic or movie, as done with the skeeter tapes; besides that, pics posted go on living their own life. Still nothing prooven. Rape? Maybe! Don't know, evrything the 3 boys or the VDS say has no value in what order, by the way this sounds familiar to me, like MB!! As long as comments will go this way I'm defending JvdS, so don't bother.
I'm happy living under Dutch law, including the absent of death penalty. Read about the French boy (20 yrs) some 10 years ago beheaded because he was charged with murder and raping? Now the famous serial killer who was arrested last year after years of raping and killing is almost prooven he did it. The 20 year old one? Now whatching from heaven.
As I said, last comment on this topic, have had it before on other topics, it's a never ending story. The only ttruth is your truth, no matter wat "disbelievers" say. Again, this sounds strongly MB to me.
So, have a good day and enjoy life!

5:47 AM  
Anonymous justthefactspls said...

Cohen already retracted those statements. He's now admitting that there was no official documents where they admitted that they had sex with her. He was basically talking out of his ass on that show. Lol, another Dr.Phil "confession."

Cohen is also Not a representative of the Aruban government. He's a hired spokesman/consultant for a group of business people on the island in the tourism industry.

Cohen and the Dr. of the doctored tapes are morons. But you can read Cohen's latest statement yourself at arubatruth.com

12:45 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Well Steve Cohen is always having to explain him self over and over - apparently he retracted the sex comments the very next day. Never at any time did any of them admit to true 100% sex with Natalee unless of course you consider BJ seex - and President Clinton did not so who knows. But there has been a lot of talk about Natalee being the pursuer here - so maybe they did - who cares - does this find Natalee - having sex does not mean Joran killed her or anything other than leave her on the beach - until we really know what happened it is all speculation and Steve Cohen does more harm than good every time he opens his big mouth!

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record. The statement was made in regard to why interviewing Alabama teens would be important to the case. However, the Office of the Prosecution believes it is important to determine all details of that night including Ms. Holloway’s physical state. - Steve Cohen

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't understand. Steve Cohen had a good explanation. Listen, Steve said. When a woman was on top and Joran was under the woman, then the woman had asked for sex herself, and both of them dident have their pants taken off, that particular intercourse constituted the "consesual sex". And since their sex organs are separated by the pant fabrics during the penetrations, no rapes could happen because there were no direct sexual organ skins contacts.
This is the truthful interpretation of the Dutch sex code.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have received much positive response to our defense of Aruba’s conduct in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway. In Boston, this weekend at the Vacation Expo, many consumers offered their support of our stance and booked their vacations to Aruba.

It was a difficult communication forum, but I did carefully offer the official view of the case, and why we had done nothing to halt or hamper the investigation. In my statements regarding the culpability of the suspects, I offered the view that a case against the suspects was progressing and that it was the goal of the investigation to find them guilty of a range of charges.

Steve Cohen
Aruba Special Adviser

2:09 AM  
Blogger R2K said...

Ahh no one has proven that they did anything, so maybe people shouldnt speak about them as if they killed her. Frankly, I have to wonder what a girl having sex with several guys at once and getting totally wasted was looking for. Why doesnt Opera make comments about teaching young girls not to get totally drunk and have sex with several people at once? Or is the missing girl not at all to blame for what may have occured?

It very likely could have been that she stumbled off drunk and decided to go for a swim, where she drowned. But no, scandal becomes fact.

Rocketry

10:43 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Oftewel, met de mantel der liefde bedekken.

4:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, Alex, no one has proven that she was looking for anything. Just because a person drinks doesn't mean she or he intends to have sex with anyone. You have no proof that she willingly had sex with several guys (scandal becoming fact in your wishful thinking?)- but even if she did, would that make it all right for her to be killed? Maybe she died by an accident, maybe not - but you shouldn't talk about her as if she willingly had sex with everyone when it hasn't been proven. Maybe Oprah should do a show about guys who like to cast blame.

6:55 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

River - you are trying to give me my morning challenge with Dutch again!!

8:58 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

By the way, long time ago, since tante posted! Where are you, tante?

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OJ wasnt found guilty, but that does not mean he didnt kill his wife.

If it walks like a duck...

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tante has probably been offed since he was such a complete pratt. He to probably realized that sticking up for Joran and his pals made him look foolish as well. It's nice to see Rik and Medley getting along so well. Ignorance is bliss as they say. As for Joran, has anyone seen him lately? I saw him a few weeks back and he looked unwell. shame about that girl.......

4:47 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

I doubt Tante has been offed for sticking up for what he/she thought was right! There is no ignorance in Our friendship - some people just believe people our innocent until proven guilty - and as far as I know Joran is doing fine - looking well - what GIRL! Trying to cause trouble??

9:12 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Sorry for the Dutch scentence medleyrelay. Freely translated:

met de mantel der liefde bedekken: cover it with the cloak of charity!

Joran looked good, just a short time ago, not unwel!!

8:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh my, Aquagirl is upset. That's quite the norm I suspect. I couldn't agree with you more. People are innocent until proven guilty. However, with the absence of truth's in this case. One will never be able to determine innocence or guilt. You can dress it up any way you want, but the inconsistencies in their stories speak volumes. Do you really suppose the reason Joran lied was simply to avoid getting grounded by his parents for being out to late? Worse than that, they placed the blame on those two innocent security guards who ended spending time in the jail. Is that behavior suitable in your world? Put the proof concept behind you for a moment. Do you honestly think that their actions that evening and their continually changing stories are not even remotely suspect? Your answer will help you see. FYI: Tante is a female.

9:03 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Thanks River!

As for laying the blame on the security guards - they absolutely did not - they said Security guards in dark uniforms - they just made something up - the Aruba LE went to these two because of their record - and for hanging around the Holiday Inn - and of course one had MB articles in his house - and of course there is a strong indication that LE used these two as informants placing them next to the 3 in jail - so please get off the kick that J2K did any implicating of the poor secruity guards. As for the lies - well the intial lie was because the Alabama posse was gun slinging their way at the VDS home in the wee hours - after that it seemed better (and these are stupid young guys who think like this) to continue the lie rather than to say Joran left her on the beach alone. But there were never lots and lots of lies - this has been clarified over and over again! Of course not by the Twitts and the Bethlovers! How about Beth and her lies and how she continually changes stories - how about the fact that she kept talking about Joran's admissions in statements - that he never made - how about the infamous Skeeter lie that Beth used to go on countless cable news shows for months - how about those lies??

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Medley, You didn't answer the question. spin,spin,spin. This isn't about Beth and yes they did implicate the security guards. Do you think you'd act differently than Beth if it were your daughter who went missing and was presumed dead? We are all guilty of pushing falsities when we don't have the truth or facts on our side. Beth is no different and neither are you. You're siding with J2K because of lack of proof,evidence and truth. That's totally fair because you're basing your convictions on the information you have available. Don't you wish we had all the facts and truths here? Hanging our hats on all this misinformation is risky business and the fools will soon be outed. Who will it be? Stay tuned.. Rik

9:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Medleyrelay,

you are wrong about the security guards. Deepak apologized to Mickey for blaming him..Hopefully, Mickey and his freind will sue Deepak and his clan of crimianls...Get your stories straight..Joran & a-hole friends lied plenty

1:14 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....Stay tuned.. Rik...."

Medley knows it's not Rik's post! Rik thinks different about this case!

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could the moderator of this site please remove that disgusting photo of lord knows who. How many of you are sick of looking at that girl's rump?? How do we know that,that is really Joran?? Who makes these darn photos anyway???? Just can't make me believe that Joran is having someone make photos to post here.Or is this the work of some snake-in-the-grass friend???

4:44 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Right! Who makes them, who places them on a blog?? And flirting with a girl? Is this forbidden nowadays? Isn't it something we all did in our teens?? As I said before, I did! And I was happy then and I am happy now, without a trace of shame!
Drinking? We did it to (and as I'm rather old for youngsters today, with my 54) and that wa sin the late sixties.

3:32 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

A little something I forgot to add in my last post is the word "respect"! Something often misses in the modern kids world towards people who're not their age or way of thinking! But, at the other side, the word respect is often missing in the elder ones towards the young ones. So?? The cicle is round (de "visieuze cirkel" as we call in in Holland). As for showing respect for all we have our orange coloured bracelet here: "respect for all"! What world would we live in, when each of us respects the other one, white, brown or whatever colour, race or religion! This awefully sounds as a dreamer, I know, so don't mention it!

6:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People keep harping on Beth changing her story....all she did was repeat what was told to her from reliable sources...except for the Skeeter tape which I'm sure she had no idea he'd doctor them AND have the nerve to pass it off on National Television. Beth had been too trusting of information sources, but for the things she knows personally we can see if she changes her story....and those things are about Natalee prior to the trip to Aruba. The time is all she knows of Natalee and that much has not changed. You can't blame her for changing her story about this case as those who give her information then take it back and she repeats that as well. All she has about this case is hearsay, so don't blame her for what she was told.

6:37 PM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Wow, did Joran respect Natalee when he supposedly left her on a beach, intoxicated in the middle of the night. Yea, right, THAT'S respecting a woman.

Joran's credibility went out the window, along with the Kepak's the second the car door closed that night (assuming he left her on a beach , that is).

I hope none of these guys don't recieve one more second of air time from any media. They don't deserve the consideration, not in the US and not in Aruba.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

They don't deserve the consideration in your small-minded view. When he supposedly this, supposedly that, supposedly so .... and so on. Considering that these guys may have air untill the're 102 years old!

6:28 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Well they'll have air, alright. Air that forever touts them as suspect in a violent crime. Air that forever touts Aruba as the location of one of the 21 century's most notable "who dun its". Air time that puts doubt into all potential visitors of the island, regardless of their country of origin. You tell me, is it worth it? Why not try to join the group driving toward solution - as the adage goes, if you're not part of the solution.... """

5:46 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Aruba will be forgotten in some years and people will visit it again. Driving toward solution? Which group? The group of bountyhunters? No thank you. The only thing I'll do here is bumping towards the hate around here shown by some people.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

joran and the kalpoe brothers are disgusting, repulsive rapists and murderers. i guess joran's daddy had enough money to get him out of this one! don't be too trusting of any governenment official...they're just people who have no holiness to them at all. also, aruba should reconsider their laws because they're absolutely ineffective and inefficient. if this were to happen again, it would be eternal recurrence. sooner or later someone will confess or slip out the truth.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

The rich and the poor! Good times, bad times!

7:33 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Yes, and in this case, the Aruban "rich" think they are running the show. They may have underestimated the impact of this case. Eventually, the truth will prevail and those responsible will fall. Let's hope the outraged public will allow it to play-out on its own. There are many zealots out there who may have less patience and a more definitive idea of "justice" for JVDS.

6:53 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Aruba Truth
the best oxymoron i've come across in quite some time

5:53 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"....the Aruban "rich" think they are running the show....

You're so right, except that you've forgotten to mention that's the same in all other regions, including the States!

6:12 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Yeah will this blog isn't about the other regions, it's about Natalee and the crooked Aruban "justice system".

Good to see that Beth is suing - fighting all the way that lady. It will be interesting to see if JS really attends that Florida college, after parents write complaint letters, pull their daughters out of school and demand their tuition returned. He'll be back in Europe before you can say, "bye now".

7:37 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

We shall see! As we say here (freely translated) "don't prais the day before it's evening"! But, you'll have a glorious feeling now, I guess??

7:51 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Not glorious, no. But, as a mom I can understand the desperation and total frustration BH must feel in the events of this investigation. She has held it together much better than I know I'd be capable of calmly handling. She got organized, she got advocates that can help her move the needle (no pun) to results. I hesitate to say what I'd be doing under the same circumstances, but I'd probably be in jail. As a father, River, I'm sure you would be utilizing whatever means necessary to acheive closure. Don't be so critical of BH, she's only trying to find her daughter.

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All yall talk about is how bad joran acted and blah blah blah... WHAT ABOUT NATALEE?!? may I remind all of you THIS all wouldn't have happen if natalee used her mind and stayed with her group!! I mean with all due respect how dumb could you be to get in a car WITH not one not two BUT THREE STRANGE GUYS!! HALLO don't you have respect for your body?? and didnt Beth teach her not to go with strangers HALLO tsk and what about her "friends" aren't they supose to watch over eachother? some friends she has!! And another thing don't blame aruba for this because as we all know aruba is known for "one happy island" well let me tell you as any country BIG OR SMALL there is no such thing as a perfect world SOO you have to be carefull everywhere you go! but enough said!

11:17 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Ah HALLO, NH didn't use good judgement as I've pointed out - BUT SHE DOESN'T DESERVE TO DIE FOR IT!!! Joran is alive, walking around and spewing stories that rival the Brothers Grimm.

You are agreeing with my point about tourists needing to understand that there are RISKS in the island travel destination. It's not what it's touted. And, they need to be reminded that they are on foreign soil and under a foreign government should anything go wrong. As we all have seen withthis case, something giong wrong turns quickly into a nightmare, as the island governments are small, tightly knit where the payoff is USUSALLY king. Not to single out Aruba, as most all the islands are like this.

This case is a result of multiple cummulative events and bad judgement by numerous people that led to a tragedy. Really, I don't think teens should be over served just because they are on a carribean island. I think, at the very least, C & C's should be assessed a whopping, major fine. All these teens said they were drunk, many times througout testimony. This is a recipie for disaster, as we're all aware.

12:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gettin drunk and makeing bad judgements is no reason to be killed and thrown away.If it was alot more of us would be dead.

2:27 PM  
Anonymous dutchJ said...

my guess is that IF joran had killed her, he would have surely told by now, noone can live under such preasure for 9 months when being guilty

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone feed the Van der Sloot pig of a mother.

The bitch always looks hungry.

Joran killed her... and he knows someone will do the same to him and that pussy of a father soon. Fuck Joran.

12:14 PM  
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