Friday, January 27, 2006

Joran: Girls Come And Go...
Interesting exchange of testimonials....
Kees says:

Not guilty! Hehe, that is one of the first things that comes to mind with Joran. This dude is cool, he got on with life at a stage where most in that position would give up! Man, the few months that I know you already feel like I have known you for years! Partying, getting drunk, and playing fifa as well as real life soccer with this dude is one of the few things that keeps us busy... You kick ass honkey and don't forget me once you got the millions these punks owe you!

Joran Says:

Yo Kees!! My N(word)!! no no no sorry mulato :) hehehe stay the way you r, your awsome and dont worry about the girl to much, girls come and go! Peace man and stay cool ;)



"What you want—as a good person—are sons who are kind and respectful toward women. To do that, you want to raise men to have relationships with women—not to feel that you can just go out and get yourself a stripper and have yourself a piece." - Oprah Winfrey

115 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has joran been telling his friends he will be getting millions in compensation?

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice quote from Oprah. I also watched that show about the parents hiring a stripper for their son's 16th birthday. How permissive some parents can be is beyond me. I'd kick my son to the middle of next week if i ever heard him talking about a girl in such a way. As Dr. Robin said, we have been sucked into a culture that is really warped and distorted around respect and honor of women.

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Mammana made a huge toast tonight at the gathering in Houston. He said "Lets all toast to the eventual demise of Joran, the slimey little worm!"

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Mammana is the slimy one.
Trash and crap in the same
body. Beth Loves him. Where
was JUG???...givev hell Joran

11:37 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

At internet, with the right progs, everything is possible just to as you want it! At this stage Joran will appear every time as another (give it a name).
When will those narrowminded find another hobby??

4:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The purpose of the event in Houston was to raise money for TES so if Joe wants to be in the spotlight to make a personal statement, this is still the U.S.A. and he can say whatever he wishes. Why would anyone want to suppress freedom of speech? Lots of people say things I don't agree with but that is their right. Joe is a street dude and is not a man to structure his words. Yep, I know his reported past but then I also do think that people make mistakes when young and can turn their lives around. Are you thinking that only those with no imperfections should speak or donate to a good cause?
Supporting a suspect is your right, I disagree. JvDs had plenty of time to "givev hell" as you say in your post but he choose not to go in voluntarily while he was in Aruba over the holiday. Why? If he has nothing to hide then why not talk to police and clear his name? Why talk to a reporter from Current Affair on the street and not LE? He was not ambushed, he loved the attention of the interview and was arrogant with his taunting...... I will talk about it later remark.
Interesting that one finds fault in one man who has turned his life away from bad living and yet you support another person who is starting out his life with lies and deception.

6:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he tries to sue he will have to answer questions in civil court where the standard is less than in criminal court. Rememmber OJ? or Blake? Bring it on and let's hear what he has to say. He doesn't want to get near a courtroom.

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is wrong with his statement?
It isn't disrespctful towards women. Just realistic.

My mother always used to say, when I suffered some heartbreak, that "Men are like streetcars, another one will always come along"

1:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous do you think thia is freedom of speech also? These are the kind of people Beth Hollowy aligns herself with.

JORAN FACES THE TERROR SQUAD

By DON GENTILE

The three main suspects in the Natalee Holloway mystery face a campaign of terror from an ex-con millionaire who is helping the missing teen's mom. Joe Mammana says he has hired seven "associates' to put the fear of God into Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot, and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak and Satish — the last men seen with Natalee before she vanished in Aruba eight months ago. "We want them to confess — tell us what actually happened to Natalee. Is she dead or alive?" said Mammana's spokesman Jim Merrick.

"If you put enough pressure on them, one of them will break." To emphasize his plan, Mammana, wearing a set of brass knuckles and wielding a baseball bat, posed for a photo in front of a poster that read: "It's not about justice. It's about revenge."

He said: "I want the cowardly punks who hurt Natalee to know they still have me to contend with."

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Natalee died at the VDS house, but not in Joran's room. She died in the pool shed out back of the house where PVDS put her after Joran beat her up while trying to have sex with her against her will.
Nalalee went of with Joran willingly but did not want to have sex after Joran got started. This happened not in the presense of Deepak or Satish. The brothers had left Joran on the beach with Natalee after Natalee escaped from the car and ran. Joran went after her. It was not the beach near the Marriot, but one on the southern end of the island where they went to look at the stars that can only be seen from the southern hemisphere, most significantly The Southern Cross.
Joran called his dad when he realized he'd hurt Natalee. They took her back to the VDS house. Paulus sent Joran to bed and he put her in the pool shed until he figured out how to save his son from this mess. She died there of her injuries, most significantly the one to her head. She choked to death on vomit from her head injury the next day because she had tape on her mouth and was tied up.

PVDS hid the body in a grave under that dog of Joran's that Joran killed a few days before. There are lots of bodies buried under dogs on that island, bodies from deaths that occured at Rave parties from drug reactions.

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad thing is Joran has little brothers growing up and seeing what they will be allowed to do in this world, rape, murder... so much for teaching them to respect women, that are not for pleasure, Joaran has set a great example for them with his past actions and his ever present actions. I wouldn't be proud of him, all the flaunting he is doing, yes, he got on with his life, unfortunately his getting on is no better than his life before. No wonder he had his own apt. who wants to be around him with his anger.

2:46 PM  
Anonymous BrownSugar said...

Joran won't be getting anything except a fellow inmate up his ass making him their little BITCH. He'll get it in prison or in the real world. Watch out Joran...and this isn't JOE talking.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:39 pm Evidently you don't buzzards in Aruba. If that many dead dogs and people are buried on the island, why aren't the buzzards circling ? Doesn't it stink to high heaven there ?

8:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I teach with Anita at ISA. She stands by her son 100% but does admit being humiliated and embarassed by this whole ordeal. Unfortunately, Valentijn is following in the same footsteps of Joran. The problem with the parents is they collapse under pressure from their sons. They tend to drop the ball on issues of partying and girls.

9:27 PM  
Anonymous PATRICK GANGEMI said...

Joran,

Do you really think you actually will get away with this? You are a disgrace to humans and to Aruba. Sorry, buddy! Enjoy your time while you can. Everyone knows you did, and had the help of that smelly, sweaty, stinky father of yours. JJustt wait! Your time is coming to go down!

To go down HARD!


And you say, "Yo Kees, My Nigg*"

Are you kidding me?! You are a white dutch kid. My Nigg*!

look into the mirror and think abiout that. You have to be saying what is wrong with me?

Joran, I will answer that!
EVERYTHING!!!!

You fat, ugly disgrace!

PAT FROM PHILLY!!

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Sue said...

That is absolutely pathetic that these parents dont have better control over there damn kids, what the hell is wrong with that woman is she going to wait until her son murders another girl, She needs to turn his ass in and let him learn a lesson instead of covering for him like she does

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3:29 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Pathetic posts, no other words!

5:03 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"...."We want them to confess — tell us what actually happened to Natalee. Is she dead or alive?"..."

Will they get tortured by now? Well, then you would get the satisfaction that they will indeed confess! Somewhat Medieval in my view. You should join ....... (fill in what you would like!).

9:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran, you damn son of a gun, people in American are unemployed and got nothing else to do, shut your damn mouth, or they will kill you. They got the high power deer hunting rifle, they are really mad at you messing around with the chicks, in stead putting more time into your college study.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that Joran Van Der Sloot was not guilty of harming Natalee Holloway. However, when he became under investigation, the world saw an arrogant, young man with an attitude who had less than a squeaky clean reputation. I have children who survived teenage, graduated college and moved on to adulthood. I am aware of the prevailing party animal youth culture. If the world had seen photographs and heard accounts of such activities as Joran doing public service, going to church, student government, etc. etc., instead of Joran drinking, gambling, and partying with girls, he probably would not have been held in prison for the length of time that he served. The new pictures and stories of Joran indicate to us that nothing has really changed for him. He appears to feel entitled to proceed on with the same kind of life that he previously led. Listen up Joran!! You are making a big mistake. The image that you present to the world should show that you, indeed, have taken the disappearance of Natalee Holloway as a learning experience. In your mess, you should be presenting nothing less than the qualities of a saint. Yes Joran, you are young and saying to the world “I am innocent. I am entitled to proceed on with a normal teenage life.” The fact that you have not changed can still come back to haunt you. You are still being judged by the world and will continue to be for the rest of your life. There are many people who have been convicted even though they are innocent just because of circumstantial evidence. You could still be convicted just because you had a bad reputation and did nothing to change that when you had the chance. Take heed! Karma is like tar paper –it can and does stick.

Also a Mother
New York, USA

12:20 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

First off - it is distressing to see all the hate here - so much hate - very little understanding or compassion - this young man has been found guilty of nothing except leaving Natalee on the beach - what if that is the extent of his involement? None of you know - neither do I but I am will to say innocent until PROVEN guilty - what is this young man suppose to do with his live - if he did no wrong is he supposed to stop living? Is he not supposed to go out, date, have a social life? And where are these quotes and pictures coming from - because I will bet a lot of good money that none of these pictures are any of this stuff is coming from Joran! For me it is sad and distressing - with any hope this case will some day be solved - then I hope some of you nasty people will have the courage to apologize!

7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran's statements about truth on current affair and Dompig's statement on MSNBC about his statements.

Current Suspect J. SLOOT: Yes, and neither do I. So, what more do you want me to do? ~~I told the truth. I know she knows the truth.~~~ And, I know she read most of the statements in the case and, yes, that is all.


Current Suspect J. SLOOT: I am not afraid. Afraid is a bad statement to use. I just don’t.... I understand from people, "You lied, you must be hiding something." But, I am not hiding anything, but, I know only time will tell that. Then ~~the truth ~~will come out.


Current Suspect J. SLOOT: I don’t really have that many memories. I mean, I knew her for one night. I feel stupid…I feel horrible that I even went out that night without my father knowing. I should've just stayed home and this would not have happened to me. It would've happened to another person.(SURE!!!) I try to look at it, that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe even with the wrong people. And I just hope that ~~the truth~~comes out. That this comes to some clarity in this case.

On 10-12 DOMPIG told “MSNBC,” “ there are many inconsistencies between the documented statements of Principal Suspect J. SLOOT and what he claimed from one statement to a differing statement happened while with NATALEE. “Well, it would take me I think a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. It‘s—none of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.” “Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.” “But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.”

11:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scott peterson didn't have a history of crime either. To use that comparision is like saying Scott Peterson never killed a wife before, so therefore he must of not killed Laci..

1:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'The world is watching?????'

You mean some pathetic, narrow minded people in the US????? This case is of little to no interest to 'the WORLD'.....

3:08 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

"...Joran, you damn son of a gun, people in American are unemployed and got nothing else to do,..."

Do you think it's only in America? Have you ever been f.e. in the slums of the city of Rotterdam? Ofcourse, not so much as in the hunge US of A, but still.

Then the mother of New York, my kids too have survived teenage, graduated college and moved on to adulthood, I almost dayly thank god for it, that I belong to the happy ones. I am also aware of the party animal youth culture. What do one think, seeing the pics of Joran? Isn't he the only one who acts that way? No way. It's a culture that nowadays lives among our youth. How many parents do actualy know what their beloved sons and daughters are doing when they go to a party?
just last friday here in Amsterdam: a group of 40 youngsters (all in the agge of 18 20) mollest a men of 42 when they came home from a house party! Why? Their explanation? He didn't belong to us (in other words, he's to "old" to be with us in the bus), so he was totlay beaten en thrown out of the bus! Does this happen here alnone? I don't think so, everywhere in our so called dear Western "civilazation"!
And true what you say, he should have had a more modest life now. Some may think I'm blind to all that stuff, I'm not. But for me, the only thing he did was leaving a girl alone on a beach; been seen the last with her. As long as there's no prove of the crime he's been accused of, for me he's not guilty. Just because of the tremendous hate along, I will be a protector. he knows that, as well as he knows my way of thinking of this tragedy!

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ever classic "Apple and the tree" scenario. Joran doesn't respect woman because he learned that from his Dad. Maybe instead of being Joran's poker coach, he should try being his father and not a friend. Rik, I know you'll back me up on that. It all comes down to responsibility and who will take it. Joran doesn't have to because his Dad will cover for him. Unfortunately, when lazy P is gone. We're left with another wifebeater. Thanks alot.

ps. PVDS, remind your son he is a caucasian Dutch boy, not a rapper. Do you know why he talks like that? If you don't, I suggest you look into it.
Lars,NYC

10:07 AM  
Blogger holloway said...

To the person that posted at time 9:27 and 2:39 please contact me at lookingfornatalee@hotmail.com

10:41 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Thanks River - you know I completely agree with you - I hear all the time about the parties and the drinking and the wild sex - it is part of the culture of young people today - maybe that is bad but it certainly is not exclusive to Joran and his friends - most of the same people that are screaming about Joran have in their own friends and family that are totally out of control! i just do not see how so many can judge this young man because of what the THINK not know but think happened. There is no evidence of anything - and even if Aruba botched it in the beginning - still one would think some evidence would be found if she had been buried or gone to sea - there is ZIP! So stop the harrasment of Joran - until I see something - I will defend him like River!

11:24 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

As I saw on http://www.al.com/forums/natalee/, it's again a sample of the backdoor arrogance of some Yanks (excuse me the word for those from the United States who are decent people with good heart, which there are plenty off which I know!):

"We need to send marines or green berets to Aruba to hand out justice to those three wastes of humanity
& to teach that island full of crooks respect for Americans. It wouldnt take a lot just a few companys or
battalions".

and

"We need to send a message to these subhumans that you dont f--- with Americans and not just because of
Natalee these Arubans just need to be taught some manners & the only thing they understand is force.
Too bad Buford Pusser not alive he could tach those babbons a little respect"

The only thing they know is force?? That's just the way some Yanks think, you can handle all things in this world with brutal force! The opinion which differs from some Yanks will be thrown into the wast basket imideiatly, whitout discussing. Especialy these so called civelised Mountain Brook Students??? The arrogance of some Yanks! All must be done as they see it!
Talking about respect!

12:03 PM  
Blogger Zarina said...

DOWN WITH JORAN VAN DE SLUT

12:10 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Right, then don't post anymore!

3:01 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

YEs, this idea that things should be handled with brute force is pathetic - in my opinion it is the brute force, cowboy guns a blazing attitude of the Fab 7 led by the big ole cowboy Jughead that drove this whole investigation into the toilet from day 1 - when you go up to a man of complete dignity and honor at 3 a.m. and start shouting obsenities and scream hate - what did they expect, they brought out a stubborn Dutchman need to protect and keep all quiet - and since then the Twits have gotten no where - and they think the more they can scream a nasty spew the more it will help. And of course more nasty people like Joe Manama have gotten on board to fan the flames!

I just hate the way some Americans think that their way is the only way, and that America is entitled to more than any other country or people - it is truly pathetic - and yes I am an American - and do truly hate this kind of action - it is embarrasing!

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the non believers and bleeding heart liberals. Would you feel more comfortable if Joran had met up with your daughter instead of Natalee that fateful evening? Look not for whom the bell tolls.......

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:39 PM comment

That's quite an account you have there. Could you do us all a favor and tell the authorities so we can all get on with our lives? Monchichi will get his sooner or later. May as well make it sooner. Dag.

4:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A close and reliable source to the Natalee Holloway case confirmed today that Joran Van Der Sloot is currently NOT enrolled at school in Holland. He was not accepted back to the University for the second semester and he is in hiding somewhere in Holland.

6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no, because my daughters were taught not to go with strangers, so they would not be in that situation.

6:54 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

This is just a rumor - until it is 100% verified why should it be spoken like the truth??

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone answer why the family of this missing girl is on American news channels everynight?
What is the purpose of this? What can they accomplish from this?

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't hold it against a guy for partying. Hells bells, teenagers and young adults have been partying for as long as I can remember. For goodness sake, isn't Beth going to cocktail parties with Joe trying to raise more money. Don't tell me she is a T-totaler. Ha ! Don't you think that selling one of the posters she had made in the wink of eye for $600 taking her scam a little far. How sick is that? Oh yeah, she autographed the damn poster too. What other mother with a missing child has pulled this sort of stunt.

to 6:35 if someone was stalking you carring a baseball bat and wearing brass knuckles....wouldn't you hid too??????????

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do people think that jsut because people have always partied their @sses off and everyone does it that that makes it ok???? JOran's behaviour is not ok, and neither is all the other kids' or adults' behaviour that act that way!! The new york mom is right, and not only that, but of all people he should realize how that behaviour can lead to unhappy events, whether they are on purpose, accidental, or assumed. If he can be happy and screw around with a million girls knowing that it is his name that is not clear in a murder, then he has no empathey and therefore a sociopath. and that goes for all the other millions of people who think it's ok to use itehr people for sex, hurt others in the process, and think nothing of it. what a sad culture we have, and even more sad that so many people think it's ok just becasue it is the norm. oh and the goofy littl;e dutch boy trying to be hip hop with his language.....please-just illustrates the point even further.

12:38 AM  
Anonymous Sue said...

Well Joe isnt stalking anyone, He is a convicted felon as you all know.. there isnt many country that will let him enter.. Aruba wont.. He just has the big bucks to hire people to break arms and legs

12:44 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Joran's just following classes. Sorry for you!!

3:19 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Hip-hop[ with his language? Ever heard word-blindness (alexia)??

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*yawns*
jordan is so guilty
people that support him amuse me
reminds me of those crazy chicks who followed Charles Manson.
hahahaha losers.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think medleyrelay should date Joran. He appears to be just her type and be of the same moral fiber.

4:31 PM  
Anonymous Sue said...

Well I can tell you one thing I dont support his ratty ass, If he were my kid i would kick his ass right inbetween his shoulder blades

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Sue said...

Well thats Funny that Joe made a toast in Houston, Because many that were at teh event said Joe wasnt even there.. That must have been quite a magical act he played

6:20 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Ya you anonymous people are the ones that amuse me - you are so sure that he is guilty but will not even put your name to it! Well there is absolutely no parallel here between the Manson murders which were clearly done by that horrible cult - to no body, no evidence no nothing and no one has been found guilty - there is no comparison!!

so all of you BRAVE? Anonymous posters give us your best shot!

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

medleyrelay, Why is it so easy for you to throw stones at others for expressing their thoughts when you are signed up on every imaginable anti-natalee holloway forum with your unwavering defense of aruba & the suspects? I really think you're wasting your old age on the internet. You have literally dedicated your life to this case. I have no problem with you finding a new purpose to live but my only suggestion is for you to get with the program and start respecting other peoples opinion.

2:01 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Ah, now it's the age again on which one is discriminated? Then respect others age if it's not the intention to discriminate. Fact is that there is no body; and besides that if one sees all the ungrounded crab that has been and will be posted, not speaking of dead threads any one with a reasonable mind will defend the person who is not able to do so by himself.
Furthermore it's a fact that, if you have a different view, a view that's not the one of posters above, you will be banned, discriminated and so on, and so on!!
This blog wil be manned again by peole who have only a unreasonable amount of hate against someone who they don't know at all.

7:38 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

All I stated was it is not very brave to be anonymous - and if I feel the need to go on all of the sites to give a little clarity to the case - and not just repete all of the lies the stupid cable shows dish out each nite Pro Twit - I have that right - and if part of my LIFE right now is finding justice and believing in the innocent until proven guilty - and actually living that - not just goin off like a nut case and get thugs like Mannama going after three people that might very well be innocent - then I have that right - so big ole anonymous person - just shut the hell up!

12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stanger than fiction....yep...that's what this is. Wondering if Steven King is sharpening his pencil and breaking out some paper...how would he end this story???

7:53 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

HJow he would end this story? In a way all the victims were in a happy shape again!

4:02 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

I would end this that Natalee comes out of the mist - telling the truth about why she ran away - apologizes to J2K and then all of those hateful people on Monkeys, BFN, Nancy disGrace, Greta, Rita, ORiely, Geraldo, Skeeter, Phil, Joe, Jossy,Beth, Jughead, Dave, And all the rest of the haters - send personal letters of apology!!!

1:43 PM  
Anonymous BlackHawk said...

This will end jus as it started..with lies and shattered promises and death.

8:54 PM  
Blogger Mensa7 said...

Medley, I actually think you're beginning to believe your own press releases. Why would you make such an absurd statement? You may well be the only person on the planet that thinks she's alive. First of all, she's not. Secondly, just because there's no evidence, doesn't mean Joran didn't do it. If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it. Does it still make a sound? Of course it does. I will personally send Joran and his whole family an apology letter if Natalee shows up alive and unscathed. That, however, is highly unlikely. It's quite obvious you're looking for a cause to latch onto and this seems the perfect opportunity for you. No offense, but the simple fact that you support this person and what he has done speaks volumes about who and what you are. Would it be different if this had happened to you instead or hadn't you thought of it that way?

9:28 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Lies??? That's your opinion!

12:31 PM  
Anonymous BlackHawk said...

Yes lies....Joran admitted to lying...that is what Joran admitted to in public...they put the cops on the 2 black security guards...got caught in a stone cold lie...and don't forget Steve Croes trying to back up their lie and he was detained for a short period of time as well..that is a fact..In most country's when you lie or mislead police in a POSSIBLE kidnapping or murder investigation you are guilty of obstruction of justice a very serious charge...that is a fact..we will see if ALE can resolve this case.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Ofcourse, I know all that blah, blah facts! How could I forget he "admitted in public", just because he's been faced of something horrible he didn't do/ wasn't prooven? That's no crime to me. Ale resolve the case, don't think so? We'll see; wishfull I hope it will be of an astonished outcome! I presume you mean the Dutch law isn't capeble? Sending people to the gaschambre or something like that, when afterwards it's coming out they were innocent, no that's a good law, isn't it?? No, those lies for me are given in out of despair, nothing more, nothing less!
Then "....I will personally send Joran and his whole family an apology letter..."?? I look forwards to it! Though I don't believe this kind of statement shit; even if NH is murdred and the culprit is someone totally else, then Joran is traumatised for life, just as his parents and brothers. That's why it's still my way of thinking "no body, no crime" & "not guilty, until prooven".

6:57 AM  
Anonymous BlackHawk said...

river_52...How do you feel about the 2 black security guards and their famlies...were they hurt by jorans lie..his lie backed up by the 2 kalpoes and then had croes back up the lie even further..they were put thru hell and are still considered suspects...If you had been one of those security guards and there had been no security tape to prove that holloway was not drop off at the hotel..how would you feel about joran and the kalpoe brothers and croes as well..they would have sworn on the bible that she was dropped off and the 2 security guards had her..I wonder how you would think about them...jus imagine their lies combine and your in prison...their lies combined and they destroy innocent men and their families...that doesn't sound like very nice people..destroy others to save your own.Thats why lying to the police is a crime..and trying to implicate others falsely..thats how some people end up going to the gas chamber..because of lies...think of the TRAUMA he caused others with his lie.

5:42 PM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

For the 100th time Joran did not put the cops onto 2 black security guards - they said security guards in brown uniforms - they did not specify these 2 guys - if these guys would not have already had a bad reputation with the police - especially the one hanging around YOUNG women they would not have been pulled in to perhaps it was their own shakey past that caused their problems. What about the fact the MB items were found in the one guys home - what about the fact that it has been stated these 2 were actually brought in as spying on J2K while in jail - what about those aspects of this whole senario - for most of you - there are so many many aspects of this case you close your mind to - like the Twits you only want to look one way!

6:38 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

How could I be so blind, blackhawk! I "appologize" for not sharing your hatefull view! For the moment I've had enough of this topic, your view is the best, stil?? Other views should be moved into the wasdt basket,then, let it be!!

3:01 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

I like the idea River of putting Blackhawk in the waste basket - that is where the hate belongs!

12:59 PM  
Anonymous BlackHawk said...

This initial story was that they drove Natalee to the "California Lighthouse" area of Arashi Beach where she and Joran "made out" for a short time before they dropped her off at her hotel around 2:00 A.M. They said she fell down and hit her head as she got out of the car, but refused help, and that she was approached by a black security guard as the boys drove away. On June 5, Aruban Police, led by superintendent Jan van der Straaten, detained Antonius "Mickey" John (30) and Abraham Jones (28) former security guards for the nearby Allegro Hotel]..of course they weren't specific because it wasn't even true..why lie at all? they didn't have to... did they...they are innocent...If you really want to help a police investigation you don't lie..if any of the MB kids lied then they should be treated accordingly...You must understand me...I don't care WHO is guilty...Just find those responsible and bring it to a close.For the sake of the people of Aruba and the families of Natalee Holloway.

2:29 PM  
Blogger Mensa7 said...

Here, here. Who cares who did it, just find the guilty and give them their medicine. IF Joran is innocent, then he sure didn't do himself any favors by lying and not showing any remorse or concern for NH's disappearance. MOST people don't lie when they have nothing to hide. He may be a pathological liar and can't help himself. Has anyone seen his psych review? "The most common lie is that which one lies to himself; lying to others is relatively an exception."-Friedrich Nietzsche

8:49 AM  
Blogger medleyrelay said...

Teens often will lie about simple little things because they often do not see the big picture that the truth will come out. We are so hung up on the lie of Joran - what about the lies of Beth and the 1/2 truths and all of her misrepresentations - and has anyone looked at her psych review - many many have said she suffers from maunchausian syndrom - and I would not be a bit surprised!

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't really posted much about this case but have been following closely on several sites. I don't know if Joran is gulity or not. Sure looks that we to me. I do know that Aruba is covering up for SOMEONE, and I wish they would knock it the hell off so the family can be put somewhat at ease by knowing what has become of their daughter. Joran and the Kalpoes may not have hurt Natalee, but at the very least, they know who did. The whole case just pisses me off.

3:23 PM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

We risk losing sight of the fundementals of this case. That Natalee was taken by three young men, in a car, while she was intoxicated and LEFT, ALONE, INTOXICATED, ON A BEACH, IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY WHERE SHE KNEW NO ONE. Now, I'm not saying that Natalee isn't responsible for her own behavior, but certainly if any one of these men had even the slightest regard for women, even the slightest sense of right, correct morality or just good manners - they never would have left this young woman alone. Even if they did have sexual relations, they would have at least gotten her to the nearest hotel... that is if they had just a minimum of regard for Natalee.

As for Joe Scarborough's statement - frankly I feel thatthe US citizens should totally boycott tourism to this country until Natalee's whereabouts are disclosed. That would mean that Aruba would lose approximately 25% of their tourism revenue. I believe the economic squeeze would force the internal powers to stop protecting the guilty and produce results.
Besides Aruba is an arrid, windy country with no sub tropical lushness, only divi divi trees. You won't miss a thing - the casinos are much nicer on other islands and so is the flora fauna.

4:36 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

So a complete island shall suffer under this hate-campaign; again a sample of American haughtiness and whatever it takes setting others to their will. With other words, we're abog country so we sill and shall lay our will on orther shoulders. As I asked before in one of the other items: when can we expect US marines on Aruba? That's what happens if uncle Sam not carries his point? It's a good thing I know that not every American is of the calibre of this nononsense1. If you're of that calibre my dear nononsense1, take a plane and go investigate by yourself instean of spreading your hate to others.

6:19 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Last word to nononsese1:

"...Besides Aruba is an arrid, windy country with no sub tropical lushness, only divi divi trees. You won't miss a thing - the casinos are much nicer on other islands and so is the flora fauna..."

Then stay the hell out of there, nobody is waiting for you and nobody out here cares a shit about your narrowminded view on whatever island or country. Put your power on the hughes problems in your own country, there's a lot of work for you to do about all the abuses out ther.

6:22 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

This blog isn't about the problems in the US, it's about a crime committed on Aruba and how to bring it to resolution.

And, yes, because Aruba's politics are corrupt, external pressures will result in internal pressures on the gevernment to seriously focus on this case.

As it is now, Aruba will be forever known as the country where NH disappeared and is belived dead. Not good for tourism, eh?? And, the media won't quit on this because it gets great ratings - so, Aruba will continue to be put front and center in a negative position.

And, yes, I do recognize that there are great people in Aruba who will suffer for the sins of the few. But, if the "great people" really want to make a difference, then they should organize and demand resolution to this case, else it effect the economy upon which they all are dependent. So, all the hypothesis about this case - the mafia casino, the sex camps, murder, whatever, whoever it takes - the power of the solution is in the hands of the good Aruban people, should they wish to pick up the ball and run with it. Meanwhile, the media will maintain its barrage. Why don't you, River, put your anger to some constructive benefit for your country, rather than the lazy way out - to critisize those who are seeking the answers??

4:08 PM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

I harbor no hate to Aruba. I'm suggesting that the government would be motivated through lost economics as the Arubans would be provided incentive to ban together and rise-up to demand resolution.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

No body, no crime! And that's it for me.

My anger, no my dear I live in peace and harmony, not living in anger, only with this kind of posts I feel the need to speak in favour of what ever the person (not only because it's Joran, a Dutch boy, the same thing I would do if he was Japanse, Negerian or whatever country/ religion/colour? Sipmly, because for me there's no prove of raping and killing. Having sex, possibly, have you ever been young?? Only to this kind of "humans" who seems to have all the answeres when it's got to do with other countries, always the same "my answere is the only truth". Others should walk behind it. Different opinion? You'll be banned, or name something. I wonder, do you also post on other bloggs concerning al the missing, murdered, raped persons in your own country? Or is it because an American citisen has been missed on a foreign island? Last seen with a Dutch boy, who acts like many teens (drinking, flirting and so on), are you familiar with teenagers? The way they act towards adults? As for Joran, it's Joran who's been seeing last with NH. Left here alone? Maybe. Ever confrontated with the will of a teenager?
Then draging the whole family (including the two younger brothers, of whome the youngest is some 8-9 years old?) into the shit? Furthermore judging parents of the way they bring up their kids? My dear nonsense, look to your own States and your own youth; your own society with their drugs problems, killings, the way coloured people are treated. As well as you in your country it's the same problem anywhere in our socalled "educated" western society.

Pity my posts on the first topics weren't placed. I can only guess the reason why! I have my thoughts.

3:07 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Last thing; I read about your "external pressures". Is this the American way of life? Thing don't go as we like so we shall handle it in our own familiar way? I could say more, but I don't, because I will not lower myself to a certain low-level.

3:09 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

As it happens, I am a mother of two teenage boys, one that will be of legal age later this year.

My sons have had the benefit of a two parent working family and know the enormous amount of dedication it takes for a person to live well and raise children in today's society.

As sons of a mother who balances parenting with profession, they also know that a woman can make strong contributions to family, friends and society in general. They have been raised to respect women, be aware of choices that can seriously effect their lives and choose wisely. As sons of parents who own and manage a resort, they are exposed to social behaviors of people on vacation, partying, on a regular basis. They would never leave an intoxicated person alone in a place that was strange to them, without supervison of someone they know. They understand the risks inheirent in these types of situations, and that choice would not be considered an option.

Aruba is a destination that among other attributes, touts safety and well-being for their tourist trade. While mistakes happen, it ususally does not result in a missing person. Natalie is unable to defend herself. Her decision and her friends' decision to let her get into that car have quite possibly cost her her life. In a place such as Aruba, who touts sale haven, to have a group of Aruban young men, who were out trowling for babes, to have chosen to take a foriegn visitor from a club to an isolated location to, let's call it party for lack of a better description, then leave that young woman in a compromised state was way wrong. Then, these same young men, engaged in public statements regarding the conduct of the young woman that were beyong distasteful and totally unnecessary. This has trashed their crediblity with the American and the majority of the Aruban public.

As for the Aruban investigation... the investigation was botched early int he process, during the time most critical to bring about steps toward resolution. It is painfully obvious to all who followed the case from the start. The incompetence was so blatant, so incredible, that it is hard to believe it wasn't intentional.

These young men will need to live with themselves and their decisions. They can say all the smut they want about this young woman in an attempt to ease, or validate their actions and decisions. But, in the end, when listening to their inner voice, they know what they did, to whatever extent they were involved, contributed to the demise of another human being. A human who belived in Aruba as a safe place to party, a human that despite all she may have done sexually, did not deserve to fall into hands that would do her harm. Karma is a very very powerful thing, the pendulum will swing back, and when it does, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near any of the men who are hustling to cover the truth. Their souls are damned, until and if, they come forth freely and openly confess their involvement to the fullest and most complete sense of the truth - and ask forgiveness.

A boycott of the Aruban tourist trade is totally in order. They failed to deliver on their promise as a safe destination for their visitors. The investigative team bungled the NH case in its most critical time, at the onset. Aruba does not represent the idyllic paradise choice for touristst, not now, and not until there is justice for NH.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Right from your heart, nononsense, this I mean for 100%, though I have a feeling you don't care the hell what I think, just because I standup for what in your eyes is thrash! This "thrash" is also with whome I work all day.

In some items I can find myself, except the boycot. I'm happy to know that many will not think that way.

As for me I'm a father of a 23 and a 26 yrs old boy, one happily married with an Antillian girl and one living happily together with his friend. All well educated with good work and also parented with profession. Just to make clear that I'm not a person without a heart and with no feelings against the NH family. Just for you to know, though, as I said you probably don't care!

4:52 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

I am a caring person, which is why I'm on this blog site.

Actually, the need for an organized boycott is unnecesary, as the longer this case stays in the public eye, the less it will be considered a vacation choice. And, I'm not just talking the US market.

Let's face it. There are too many alternatives to the Aruban destination that don't have the negativity associated with it. NH has many powerful supporters in the media that simply aren't just going to go away. And, not just because of ratings (which are high for this case), but more due to the fact that they believe in BH and want to support justice for NH. If in seeking this justice, JVDS is cleared of involvement, then great. I maintain that if this young man, his father and Kepaks had no involvement, then they would be far more communicative and open with the investigation. They have drawn the line with property searches and polys - one simply has to imagine, and not a very difficult imagination feat at that, as to why this would be. But, justice is justice, so if they are not involved, a complete cooperative investigation would result in their absoution. Alas, they seemingly aren't interested in this. Again, it doesn't require a very strong imagination determine the reasons for their relunctance.

10:57 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

I'm deeply touched!

7:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the situation was reversed Joran, and your parents had spent the last 8 months calling Natalee a rapist, a murderer etc to any and all tabloid media shows who would give them the air time, you know they would be suing your parents for every dime they had. Please give them back a good dose of their own bitter medicine. I can't think of a better recipient for the what 50,000,000 dollars the Twitty's have collected 'In Trust" from fools willing to believe anything the grieving psychopath mother says. Sue these people for what they did to you, your father, your island and their daughters good name and memory. PLEASE!!! It will shut them up and maybe just maybe when the media circus dies down, Natalee will return home.

3:30 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Natalee's parents should sue in consideration of the BS Joran has been slinging since he fell suspect.

I'll tell you what, you keep your problems on your island and country, and we'll keep ours in ours. Get this sorry excuse for a young man out of the US. He can stay in his part of the world with his version of "peace of mind".

7:29 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

The mother can't grieve a child she has no idea of their whereabouts. Spoken like someone who has no children.

This mother is trying to find her daughter, a body, anything... that's what the fundraiser was for and that's what the money is allocated to - finding Natalee.
Should JVDS follow your advice and Sue, then he'd be (once again) deploying tactics to impede the disclosure of the truth. If he is indeed innocent, it's in his best interest to allow that fund to support an all-out full search for Natalee- so he can "clear" his name. Unless, of course he has knowledge that has yet to be disclosed, it for certain is in his best interest that a thorough search takes place and Natalee is found.

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of all that I have read in these blog entries, the observation that is most cogent is that if, indeed, Joran is innocent then it is in his best interests to encourage & support all activities that seek the truth and to allow any & all avenues to that end. It appears that Joran is so entwined in the falsehoods that he has generated, that he will find this all but impossible. How sad for all.

12:01 AM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

Again I'm deeply moved by the words of nononsense!

7:48 AM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

River, I'm glad to hear that SOMETHING moves you!

1:41 PM  
Anonymous river_52 said...

We know, nononsense! Drugged, raped, killed, and so on, and so on. Yes, the media, the money, publicity......., the poor Beth and so on.

It's the way people like you nononsense, who make people look like some insensitive bastards! Just your way of adressing people like myself and others who think like me (unguilty until prooven); your intense haughtyness and self-satisfation way oof profiling yourself as the almighty mother knowing all!

Just tyr to read between the lines of the posts, and then you might discover the way some people are thinking.

Maybe I'm not expressing my self in the right way, simply because I'm Dutch from Antillian origine; so my native tongue is not English. But that's something you'll not give a damn about.

1:42 PM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

River - at least take the time to post blogs indiviudally rather than the copy and paste.

These folks are not going to be free of spirit until they open up and tell what they know.

As for being in the US for an interview... how incredibly stupid can they be?? ABC can interview anyone, anywhere, so why did they choose to go to US soil?? They surely must realize this could be viewed as antagonistic to the Twitty's. Good grief, if they do take an interview, then why not give any income to the "find natalee fund" ??? These folks really need to start to THINK about their actions. joran can find no peace (or piece for that matter) in the US. They need to go to a safer haven and work on a strategy to come forward with the remainder of the information they indicate they know.

6:32 PM  
Anonymous Ellyn said...

I am sincerely angry at ANY statements made about Jorans innocence in this whole thing. Joran, Deepak & Sateesh drugged, kidnapped and raped Natalee. I take great offense to ANYONE that will put ANY blame on a young teenager -who should be ALLOWED to be out in the world -FREE from predators hunting them down. Natalee was the victim of a crime and I find it offensive to read some of your notes blaming Natalee or her family. How dare you!!! If any of you have childen - you should be aware that this can happen to any of us - and we should ALL be helping - not blaming. Natalee NEVER deserved what happened to her as no woman deserves to be drugged and raped. All we should be doing NOW - is comming together as a team to bring the suspects to tell the Holloway-Twitty families where Natalee is and let this family and the world find CLOSURE. Although, peace might never be found but justice CAN. I for one -stand 100% behind the Holloway-twitty families and always will. Joran, Deepak,Sattesh & Paul- PLEASE tell us WHERE IS NATALEE????? Please find it in your hearts someplace- to give us peace. Please to the RIGHT thing. We will NEVER stop searching for justice and where Natalee is. Never stop!!!! We are NEVER going away!!!!!
Sincerely, Ellyn Field- NY

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

River...grow some balls, get some morals and stand up for the hate that was inflicted upon an innocent girl who did not deserve to be raped and murdered! Instead of spreading anti-hate why don't you spread pro-love. Instead of standing up for Joran why don't you stand up for the Holloway-Twitty families for the appalling injustice they have endured?? The rapists/murderers should be caught and brought to justice. And you know as well as I do that the only ones lying about that night are Joran and the Kalope brothers. So where is your allegiance?? To three confirmed, confessed liars or an innocent girl who can't speak for herself!Bottom line with River is, if it were HIS daughter he'd be singing a whole different tune. It's people like river and medley that refuse to call a spade, a spade, that have contributed to the downfall of our society. We should force our children to take responsibilty for thier actions, not let them hide in another country. Everyone in the world knows deep down they had something to do with her demise. Since the Aruban government doesn't plan on collecting any edvidence for the case we will all have to wait for Beth to solve the case on her own. Medley/River correct me if I'm wrong, any parent would do the same thing for their child. There are plenty of people convicted with no body, but that is only beacuse someone actually looked for the edvidence, unlike the Aruban government. So why don't you guys just save all your woah is Joran crap. He's a grown murdering rapist, he can take care of himself.
-Jennifer Marietta Ga.

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Ellyn Field-NY said...

Well said- Jennifer Marietta. THANK YOU! I couldnt have said it all any better. Thank you. Those two people have really been way off. Thank you for setting the record straight. THEY are GULITY -Joran, Deepak, Sateesh and Parents.!!!!!! Pray for justice. Thanks!!!!!

7:56 PM  
Blogger nononsense1 said...

Well done Jennifer. My prayers are added to all of yours to help support BHT in her plight to find her daughter.

11:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jennifer you said everthing I feel thank you.Joran is the Prince of Darkness and he will fall and take the others with him.

12:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said jennifer. My prayers are with Beth,Dave and Natalee and the rest of her family. Justice be done. God Bless them all.

12:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gram23 says. Wow how in the Hell can anyone stand and say Joran is innocent. Where do you live under a rock. Have you even looked at the facts? do you hate all americans or just Natalee? what the hell right do you have to disrepect anyone what are you 10 years old .We know you dont have one working brain cell to insult everyone as you have. Shame on you I think a few of you on this board are low lifes trying to kiss up to Deepak Sastise and Joran where the hell were you when these pigs took Natalee Why the Hell couldnt they gotton rid of some trash like you. Instead of a discent girl This kid knows excallty what happened to Natalee. If his hand didnt kill her he knows who did and will not speak the truth. I am sick of you pigs Bashsing Natalee, Beth, Dave, And the USA.Joran and his buddies will pay and JUSTICE WILL BE done for NATALEE. Jen thank you for the post.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

medleyrelay Why dont you shut your mouth all that rolls out of it is Bashing Natalee . Get a life B

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everybody needs to wait...this will all be sorted out. JVDS or whoever will come to justic over this. Remember it took the Martha Moxley/Kennedy couisn Skakele(sp?) incidedt 20+ years to be resolved.

I'm sorry to say however NH will still be gone, God rest her soul,
all concerned may not live to see it happen, BUT: it will all come to pass. The sad thing in all this is,yes, the killer may walk free for a long time but someday he/she will pay.

2:57 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

I don't know if Joran is guilty. I don't know what happened to Natalie.

What I do know is that Joran is a proven liar. He's lied not once, not twice, but several times. Now how do I know when this proven liar is telling the truth? Why should I suddenly say, "Okay, that interview is the truth!"? A proven liar swears he telling the truth? Sorry, but I am not going to defend the suspect who was the last person seen with Natalie alive, who has lied many times and changed his story many times. I can't stand here and yell, "HE DID IT!" without proven evidence, but I do find him and his inconsistant actions to be very suspect.

Mike
Saint Louis, Missouri

6:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran is saying Aruba loves him and supports him and He wants to go on with his life. I say Natalee wants to go on with her life and her family wants her home.Until the truth comes out Joran is the number one Suspect IN THIS CASE,

2:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Q Kelly is a Great Lawyer and would never say there were three girls raped and drugged by Joran if he didnt have them and have proff. I cant wait to see joran go down and I know he is going down . John Q Kelly will take him down. Joran is the only number one Suspect.

12:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sociopath seems to be a good word for joran. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck must be a duck.

11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who know Koen How does he fit into this puzzle. Was it at his house Natalee was killed after being Gangraped? Lots of poster seem to think it was?

12:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On 8-4 BETH said she met an AMERICAN 18 year old blonde woman in ARUBA who had contact with Principal Suspect J. SLOOT in April 2005. (the woman is from NJ, and was with her mother when she and BETH first met) The young woman told BETH that while at “Carlos ‘n Charlie's" she had observed Principal Suspect J. SLOOT’s “predatory habits.” The woman was with 2 of her friends at “Carlos ‘n Charlie's" when Principal Suspect J. SLOOT approached her and her friends repeatedly and relentlessly inside, and he kept trying to impress them. He pointed out Current Suspect D. KALPOE and Current Suspect S. KALPOE sitting in the same seats as shown in the infamous photo of the 3 and told the woman that they were his gambling friends. Another short friend of his came up and was telling the women how rich he was and what a great athlete. He appeared to have an open tab at the bar. When “Carlos ‘n Charlie's" closed (at 12 AM that night because there was a large fight the previous night), Principal Suspect J. SLOOT followed the women and was trying very hard to go with him and continue partying at another bar. The women declined his advances.

8:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran, You can never hide. You carry in your heart and in your mind what happened to Natalee. You can't run from yourself. You will never have a future, The Guilt will never leave you. Repent and asked for forgiveness.Then and only then will you have peace.

2:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the family is looking for is some closure. Why can't someone be cleaver and leave an anonymous tip. The truth is there. If wrong was done the only way to somewhat right the wrong is by letting the family lay their head down at night. You owe it to yourself and everyone around you. This is affecting a lot more people than it needs to. SOLIDIFY YOU CAN'T RECTIFY....

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

~~~~* Miss u Huny *~~~'.'
kusses
Beijus
ti Amo

U'rSxinhaXeloza

7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone knows something!!!Natalee just didnt walk off the face of the earth. This case was buggered from the beginning and I hope who ever knows the truth will just come forward and give this family the closure they need! I think the Holloway's did nothing wrong by being in Aruba and putting pressure on authorities to help find their daughter. All I want to say is that if you get away with things in this life time you will pay in the next!!! HOPE AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!

1:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran, I want to kill you. See you soon:)

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will that medleyrelay please shutup

8:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully they will see the light soon and realize that Joran is never going to tell the truth. He lied, raped & killed her... and he needs to be hunted down and shot in the fucking head for it!

He is a rapist, a murderer, and his dad his a fat lying cocksucker and a blubbering moron. FUCK JORAN & HIS DAD
- THE FUCKING PIGS.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading all the posts here (some with interest, others with disgust). One thing that confused me was why medleyrelay was berating anonymous posters here about not identifying themselves. Is medleyrelay a name? If it isn't your first and last name, then please accept the fact that almost all the posts here are anonymous, including yours.
I have not heard all the details of this case, but enough to be very suspicious. The way the details have been presented (the ones I have seen), it certainly looks like Joran is a party animal with very little respect for women. It also looks like he is a liar, with no concern or respect for the family or circumstances of Natalee. I have also felt that he knows much more than he is telling and that his father wants to protect him from whatever it is.
My gut feeling is that either Joran is incredibly guilty or knows who is. On the other hand, I wasn't there in Aruba (never have been, probably never will be after this mess and the incredibly bad job of investigation), I don't know what happened to Natalee after she drove away with the three young men that night. I don't know if she was left on a beach. I don't know if she was even drugged or raped. I only know what my heart tells me is true, but the media, not fact, has fed me with all the details that lead me to believe in the guilt of Joran.
Because the guy is an inconsiderate, selfish, womanizing little turd does not make him a murderer. There are so many young men out there just like him. It is a real shame, but that does not prove that they are all committing murders.
Has anyone ever considered that Joran may have targeted Natalee, perhaps filled her with alcohol and/or drugs, taken his opportunity on the last night before she left to either convince her mind (in its altered state) to have consensual sex or raped her. He could then have left her on the beach and gone home. At that time of night, anyone could have seen her wandering around on a beach, possibly confused, drunk or stoned into a state of paranoia, maybe crying, maybe barely clothed. Most people would help out a girl like this, but there are those who could and would take advantage of a situation and abuse a young woman, maybe even kill her.
This is all an example of what MIGHT have happened. There are so many possibilities. I just have to keep in my mind that because I was not there and don't personally know ANY of the details, then I have to convince my suspicious mind that I really do NOT know what happened. Whoever was responsible, be it Joran or anyone else, that person (or persons) is likely still alive. Unless someone knows more and comes forward with information, this case may never be solved, but it comforts me to know that God knows what happened and He will hold that person (or persons) responsible sooner or later.
By the way, I have no intention of visiting Aruba any time soon until their investigative processes are increased dramatically, and I am not a "yank" or a US citizen. I am a Canadian. This terrible incident has caused people from all over the world to be concerned. Not just those countries involved.

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your "angel boy",was be seen the last Saturday in Lima -Peru.whit Shtefany Flores Ramirez,This girl was find for the Peruvian police dead in a Hotel Room,Rape and whit nife injures.Your "angel boy",run like a rat to Chile.Sleep well.

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joran murdered Natalee and now another young woman. Lock him up and throw away the keys...but first torture him until he tells Beth waht happened to her daughter!

3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a coincidence that Stephany was killed on the same day as the launch of Beth Holloway's website with a big PLEASE DONATE billboard on her homepage!! Beth has stolen over 50$ millions off the back of Natalee! And now she still need more attention and money? it wouldn't surprise me that BETH HOLLOWAY is the one who has arranged for Stephany to be killed behind Joran's back!! Someone seriously needs to investigate the Holloway family, they have been very suspicious criminals so far.

11:17 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Wow...nobody has the balls to put their real name on here when defending Joran. I wonder why.

This kid is piece of shit little entitled bastard. Now he doesn't have daddy and mommy and the Aruban judicial system to help him out.

I wonder how many more of Van der Slut's victims we haven't heard about?

2:36 PM  

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